Do Your Kids Dress Like Bankers?

[seguidordejesus]

I dressed like a banker today.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

My pastor wears western boots and I wear western boots, I have my doubts about anyone's salvation who doesn't wear western boots!! So there!!!!I've started a new doctrine, it's called the HOLY BOOT doctrine.

I wear boots to when I preach on Sunday nights or mid-week service, I wear Alligator Boots or my Elephant boots.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

To be honest I'd rather been hanging out with you than the folks I was with today.
I would like to visit your church.

And they would love to have you

That is the great thing, they don't care what walk of life you come from, how well you know Jesus, how deep your relationship with Him is, or any of that. They just love people and want to be able to fellowship with them and hopefully help them on their journey.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

I wear boots to when I preach on Sunday nights or mid-week service, I wear Alligator Boots or my Elephant boots.

please tell me you REALLY don't have elephant skin boots. please


not that I really care but I like elephants. they just look very majestic to me. i know sounds odd but that is all i can think of when i think of them. so big and powerful and yet able to pluck a blade of grass with their trunk

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Heavenly One, you'd make a great reporter for the New York Times or the Washington Times. That's not what was said. I'm sure the girl would feel out of place if she showed up in short shorts or jeans and that was not the attire of everyone else. At our church most of the girls dress very nice but standing beside them at the alter may be a girl in jeans praying.

I do believe that is we were going before the Queen of England or the president of our country we would look our best so why shouldn't we look our best when we go to the house of God. He is the King of Kings. Sloppiness is never acceptable. In my business if someone shows up dressed sloppy we usually shred their application when they walk out the door or write a big NO on it.But the main thing is, it's not how our kids are dressed to go to church it's that they are in church.

Since all our righteousness is as filthy rags to God (you know what filthy rags are, right?), do you really think He's concerned with our attire? Do you really think He is concerned or even cares whether you come to church in a tshirt or in a silk shirt? Do you think He'll pay more attention to you the better dressed you are?

Funny.....I don't see any scripture that shows that teaching. The disciples were pretty smelly fellas, don't you think? Jesus was the same way. Do you think they showered and changed clothes, dressing in their fanciest duds before preaching and healing people?

And yes, WH was saying exactly what I responded to. That girl isn't allowed to go to camp without the 'proper attire' and he wasn't referring to her dressing sloppy. He was referring to her needing to have long sleeved shirts, just as he said the boys have to have as well, or they can't attend.

It's only here in America where such thinking is so broad-spectrum. Go visit any missionary and see if they impose the same rules before allowing people to attend church, campmeetings, or any such like. Find any scripture where Jesus or any of the apostles did the same. I challenge you.

While I don't dress sloppy for church (nor any other occasion unless I'm fishing or gardening), I don't dress to impress God either. Since my righteousness is on the same level as those 'filthy rags', I can't imagine how he sees my 'elegant' and 'proper' attire...in addition to my heart on such matters.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

please tell me you REALLY don't have elephant skin boots. please


not that I really care but I like elephants. they just look very majestic to me. i know sounds odd but that is all i can think of when i think of them. so big and powerful and yet able to pluck a blade of grass with their trunk

I have a genuine elephant foot with a padded top in my livingroom - given to us by my wife's grandfather - the late Stanley Chambers.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I have a genuine elephant foot with a padded top in my livingroom - given to us by my wife's grandfather - the late Stanley Chambers.

I have often wondered how that elephant is doing with just three legs....

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Judging is NOT something we are trying to avoid, but is a tool we have for weighing things and considering matters. It is fairly difficult to judge someone's character by their looks, but if you were in the middle of a UPC convention, and someone went in dressed like a goth or heavy metal rocker, wouldn't you judge them, and think, "They must be new, or they must have taken a wrong turn"?

Judge not, lest you be judged. Luke 6:37 Avoid judging. Especially based on appearances only. We DO tend to judge people by their appearance, and to some extent we can draw conclusions, but we should have the godly understanding that our conclusions cannot possibly be 100% correct, because only GOD can see a person's heart. Personally, I don't want to judge someone by a measure that isn't accurate. Do you?

This was the part that REALLY got me- whatever they do at the mall is of NO effect to us! The whole world may be a fashion show, but the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket, let it not be said of the church. Also, we do not know what is "least" important to the Most Important, so it is not best for us to think we know the mind of GOD.

Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart. God judges a man by what is in his heart--not by how casual or dressy his clothes are. We need to be reasonably concerned with looking neat and presentable because we do represent Christ to a world of people who are looking at our outward appearance, but not concerned enough to judge the hearts of others based on their outward appearance.

I never said that what people do at the mall "affects" us. LOL!!!!

My point was that kids are kids and people are people, whether they're in church or out. Have you ever people-watched? When I said "all the world's a show" I didn't mean that they all look good. But no matter what a person looks like, we'd better temper our human tendency to judge with the biblical concept that only GOD can know a man's heart.

This is completely different, you are drawing an example from the world again. Neither of you need to change how your dressed here- you are in covenant with GOD, and dress as a sister should, in a skirt, they are out of covenant with GOD, and dress as women in our modern day culture should, in jeans. However, when we go to a church event, we are all members of the Body of Christ, we are all in covenant, and there should be some understanding as to how we should dress, since it is somewhat important, ESPECIALLY around the youth, where immodest dress can lead to temptation, and extravagant dress can more easily lead to insecurity in our young people.

I really didn't draw examples from the world as to how we should dress. In fact, I am pointing to just the opposite. We should dress how we are comfortable, and allow others to do the same--whether that is in dressy clothes or casual.

I do agree that we shouldn't try to offend others, but I do believe that being offended by a person wearing dress clothes or casual clothes is SILLY. It's like caring whether a person wears cotton or silk.

I won't go through the rest of your post, but I figured the beginning was a good place to start.

Some of you know my views on dress standards, clothing, jewelry, ect... Some of you take a "no-jewelry" position, which is fine, however, mention of gold is extracted from 1 Peter 3, and then the putting on of apparel is not taken into consideration by some people. What does this "putting on of apparel" mean? It does not mean to never wear clothes, but it speaks to a moderation we should take in our clothing. In 1 Timothy 2, Paul talks about expensive clothing, and yes, expensive means different things to different people, but let's just continue to think on this "putting on of apparel" and "expensive clothing"... All this attention is given to "No jewelry, No makeup! No sleeves to such and such length!" ect... And then after that, it's a free for all. [What seems to go on in the mind of some sisters] Ok, so I can't wear jewelry, and I've got to find something modest- I'll go where the girls from school get their prom dresses, and wear one of those, with something covering my arms for Youth Congress, oh, and I have to get my hair done real fancy...

My interpretation of that scripture is different from yours, and I don't see anything wrong with gold, pearls OR costly array. I think the scripture is just a contrast to point us in the direction of character. I'm pretty sure Lisa reads it that way as well, as I doubt she avoids gold, pearls or costly array. On this thread, we're not discussing costly vs. non-costly--we're talking about appearances. Dress clothes don't cost anymore than casual clothes, most of the time. In fact, I wear outfits that cost less in totality than another person's designer jeans. Dress clothes have nothing to do with cost. And providing your household with good quality, beautiful clothing is one of the attributes of a good wife and mother. (IMO, based on Proverbs 31)

What if the brothers just wore appropriate, modest, simple, clothing? Ties if they want to, but no crazy patterns and things? Suit jackets if they want, but no zoot suits? What if the sisters also dressed appropriate, modest and simply, plain colored skirts, blouses and jackets? Why the need for gowns and prom dresses, and hair all fancy? My sister has pictures of her at Youth Congress with a fancy dress and her hair all done up, and as she went further with the LORD those things went away. She wears her hair down or she puts it in a bun, but she doesn't put a million clips in it, or "poof" it all crazy, or make it all extravagant. Why are brothers and sisters going through all this trouble with the way they dress?

I do not agree that plain dress is a sign of holiness or devotion to God.

Dress appropriate- No suits in 100 degree weather, and no sandals in freezing temperatures.

I agree. But if someone wears a suit in 100 degree weather, and sandals in the snow, that doesn't indicate anything ill of their character or walk with God.

Dress modest- ladies dress like ladies and men like men, and cover yourselves in such a way that your body won't be lusted after, by any reasonable person (no one can prevent the lust of the pervert...)

Dress simple- put on clean, modest clothing, that will not catch someone's eye or be "loud" or look extravagant.

These are your interpretations and private convictions, Sept5. When someone falls outside these lines, you shouldn't assume it is because they are less spiritual than you are or of less character. There's nothing wrong with setting personal guidelines for yourself, but please keep them in perspective for what they are--personal guidelines/convictions. Other Christians aren't wrong simply because they have a different set of guidelines altogether.

We are the church- we are not the prom, and although we may be the "King's kids" we do not need to dress like royalty to prove it. HIS kids do not dress like Charles and Diana's kids, and we have no need to wear extravagant things- "for let it be the hidden man of the heart"!

-Bro. Alex

Nonsense. My children looked beautiful yesterday in their pretty Easter dresses and suit. And they are definitely "King's kids." THey weren't wearing costly array--but they still looked nice.

You probably should have thoroughly read all of my posts. The point was that we cannot accurately judge the spiritual state of a person by their physical appearance. If YOU can, then you must be equal with God, because the rest of us can't see into a man's heart. If someone is dressed extremely, you can surmise or draw reasonable conclusions, but even if they're reasonable, you should stop yourself from forming concrete conclusions without clear evidence. (e.g., you haven't even met the person, talked with them, or asked them about their views.)

I suppose if you had read them, though, your post might have still been the same--it appears that you do believe a person's spirituality is reflected in their wearing of dressy clothes or plain. I will just go on record (again) and say I completely disagree with that concept, and find no biblical basis for it. I find biblical basis to say we should completely reject such an idea.


Jas 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Jas 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Jas 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Just as I would not judge a person dressed casually, or even sloppily as being unspiritual, I refuse to judge a person dressed in dressy clothes as being unspiritual, and I don't appreciate anyone who would potentially do that to me or my children--or my husband. Talking about someone's fashion sense is one thing--turning it into a heart matter is quite another.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I do not agree that plain dress is a sign of holiness or devotion to God.

AMEN!

[KWSS1976]

Guess that rules out the bums that try to come to church guess they have no chance...