How Important is Truth? - Page 27

RevDWW · #**261** 04-11-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Oh I have ... and what applied and appropriation are ... perhaps you've been sold a bag of goods.

Rom 6:3 (KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

What caused Jesus' death? Wasn't it the shedding of His blood? So if I'm baptized into His death wouldn't I be baptized into His blood?

Neck · #**262** 04-11-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

blood remits sin.

To be buried in baptism means to put away the flesh. That was my point...

rrford · #**263** 04-11-2007, 11:58 PM

Anyone besides me ever heard the word "futility?"

Neck · #**264** 04-12-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Didn't say the water and spirit ... are one ... did I ? Notice however Jesus follows with what is born of the flesh is flesh ... and of the spirit is spirit ... sure looks like it's a parallel ... of sorts ... you can't say definitively that the water in John 3 is water baptism ...

I know Nico ... didn't understand ... but Jesus is saying DUH ... I'VE PROMISED THIS THROUGH THE PROPHETS ... THAT THE NEXT CONVENANT WOULD BE A CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART DONE BY THE SPIRIT...

You're right scripture does interpret itself ... but you point to Acts 2:38 as the scripture it points to ... yet Peter ... does quote THE PROPHETS ALSO ... when examining this rebirth ....

John 3 is not a puzzle ... it unlocks from many directions ....

To your point Dan. Since we are buried with him in baptism. Romans 6:4

Why does John 3:5 say except a man be born of water and of the spirit.

How can a man be born in the act of being buried?

I thought we were buried in baptism not born....

Baptism is in likeness of Christ death....

The new birth comes in the likeness of this resurrection through the Holy Ghost...

rrford · #**265** 04-12-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

To your point Dan. Since we are buried with him in baptism.

Why does John 3:5 say except a man be born of water and of the spirit.

How can a man be born in the act of being buried?

I thought we were buried in baptism not born....

Baptism is in likeness of Christ death....

The new birth comes in the likeness of this resurrection through the Holy Ghost...

How can one arise to the "newness of life" without dying to the old man and buryinig him?

mizpeh · #**266** 04-12-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Ezequiel is not speaking of water baptism ... God says he will do it in Ezequiel ... Notice the I's ... while water baptism is a vertical rite ....

I'm not sure what you mean by a vertical rite, but the Spirit of God moves when we call on Jesus' name in water baptism.

28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Neck · #**267** 04-12-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rrford

How can one arise to the "newness of life" without dying to the old man and buryinig him?

This is just a question? I know how I have been taught.

How in John 3:5 born of water.

Romans 6:4 buried with him in baptism.

I understand one has to be buried to be born again.

But you are not born at baptism.

You receive the HG in the likeness of his resurrection.

Which is the newness of life...