Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved - Page 27

Baron1710 · #**261** 07-09-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Baron, I'll leave that to God.

But I will not excuse sinful behavior - whether it's my sin or someone else's.

There seems to be an attempt to normalize that sinful behavior on this thread, which is regrettable.

Why not just say that smoking is a sin some folks struggle with, just like others struggle with gossip, lying, drinking, whoremongering and so on?

Why not try to help people find deliverance from a habit that has no benefit whatsoever?

Appealing to and appeasing fleshly lusts is contrary to Galatians 5.

I guess it depends on the purpose of this thread. If we are approaching it from a theoretical position, I can not say smoking will send you to hell.

If we are trying to help someone quit I again am not going to heap guilt on them and threaten them with hell. Why are we so much more likely to tell the smoker he is going to hell than the 5' 10" 400 lbs guy who spends his day stuffing Twinkies in his face.

DividedThigh · #**262** 07-09-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by COOPER

Don't drink the water!

Watch out for them killer tomatoes too.

love tomatoes with salt on them, but no sugar, lol

LUKE2447 · #**263** 07-09-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

What other parts of the OT law do you feel obligated to follow, L?

Rico I think the better question to ask is what should we not follow?

If the law was a way for a nation to express his righteousness and nature to the world as God's chosen then I think much of it should be reflected in our lives. The law had many purposes and one was to reveal his nature to his people. I am not talking about doing these as unto righteousness but as a response of a good conscience before God.

Does the prophecy not say the law would be written on our heart. To say "law" is done away is misleading. A covenant can be done away but the nature/law of God does not. It if was bad for you then it is bad for you now.
Sure somethings are shadow and type but much in the MC is light!

Rico · #**264** 07-09-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by COOPER

Tobacky is a wacky thang.

Some folks can not get away from it no matter how hard they try.

But then....there are many other ways to defile the body.

Jesus said it's not what enters a man, but that which comes out is what defiles him.

Leave Jesus out of this. Can't you see we are busy establishing laws for anyone who wants to please God?

Brad Murphy · #**265** 07-09-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

I guess it depends on the purpose of this thread. If we are approaching it from a theoretical position, I can not say smoking will send you to hell.

If we are trying to help someone quit I again am not going to heap guilt on them and threaten them with hell. Why are we so much more likely to tell the smoker he is going to hell than the 5' 10" 400 lbs guy who spends his day stuffing Twinkies in his face.

Because if you line up 100 of those guys, every single one of them will say they have a glandular (or other medical) problem.

Rico · #**266** 07-09-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Again, people have to eat or they will die.

Some people have trouble curbing their lust for food. That is sinful.

Other people simply have genetic predispositions that make them heavier.

Cigarettes, marijuana and crack are not substances necessary to live.

They are developed as mood or mnind-altering drugs. They have led to the destruction of many individuals and their families.

It amazes me that some of you will promote these behaviors as healthy and perfectly normal Christian behaviors.

PP, what do you think God's purpose was in creating marijuana? I am sure you know it is one of the most powerful, and natural, pain relievers known to man. Are you seriously trying to say that someone who smokes some pot to relieve, say, backpain, rather than using a pharmaceutical pain reliever, like Codeine, is committing a sin, but the person using the Codeine isn't?

Baron1710 · #**267** 07-09-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

Because if you line up 100 of those guys, every single one of them will say they have a glandular (or other medical) problem.

Ya they do. I have an extra 30 lbs for one reason, I eat more than I need.

Nahum · #**268** 07-09-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

I guess it depends on the purpose of this thread. If we are approaching it from a theoretical position, I can not say smoking will send you to hell.

If we are trying to help someone quit I again am not going to heap guilt on them and threaten them with hell. Why are we so much more likely to tell the smoker he is going to hell than the 5' 10" 400 lbs guy who spends his day stuffing Twinkies in his face.

Is there no common sense in the church any more?

It is the very height of legalism to require a specific passage that bans smoking. Did cigarettes even exist back then?

The Spirit of the Word of God should be enough to teach us smoking is not "Christian."

Where is that little voice in our heads that leads us away from such things?

It seems we are all only interested in gratification.

Amazing that a little cigarette can control someone's entire worldview and theology like this.

Nahum · #**269** 07-09-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

PP, what do you think God's purpose was in creating marijuana? I am sure you know it is one of the most powerful, and natural, pain relievers known to man. Are you seriously trying to say that someone who smokes some pot to relieve, say, backpain, rather than using a pharmaceutical pain reliever, like Codeine, is committing a sin, but the person using the Codeine isn't?

God created arsenic, poison ivy and black widow spiders.

Do you want to handle them?

Baron1710 · #**270** 07-09-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Is there no common sense in the church any more?

It is the very height of legalism to require a specific passage that bans smoking. Did cigarettes even exist back then?

The Spirit of the Word of God should be enough to teach us smoking is not "Christian."

Where is that little voice in our heads that leads us away from such things?

It seems we are all only interested in gratification.

Amazing that a little cigarette can control someone's entire worldview and theology like this.

Did I miss something? I didn't ask for a specific verse. Good job at side-stepping the actual point of the post you responded to though.