I'm not sure that that is a function of her trying to sneak one by, or just simply not considering that they would want to approve her singing before hand. I'm just saying that in my experience, when you are dealing with one of those really radical people, they would be taking their victory lap now and not apologizing.
But you also know the reality that people will say she was just being uppity, and use all kinds of language. And that she is just another example of why black people, shouldn't do, or be this and that. And you know truthfully that can and does still happen.
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Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
.... I'm just saying that in my experience, when you are dealing with one of those really radical people, they would be taking their victory lap now and not apologizing.
Well if she has apologized, that's fine-- she really needs to. Unfortunately, her apology does little to change how I feel about her actions!
I'd like to hear, from her words, what in fact she was thinking when she came up with this very bad idea.
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I just posted some interesting things I found out about her and her music in particular. Also of interest is that she was earlier in her life a Jehovah's Witness, but left that religion. I do know enough about them to know that they certainly do not embrace the symbols and elevate them to an untouchable status.
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Well if she has apologized, that's fine-- she really needs to. Unfortunately, her apology does little to change how I feel about her actions!
I'd like to hear, from her words, what in fact she was thinking when she came up with this very bad idea.
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I just posted some interesting things I found out about her and her music in particular. Also of interest is that she was earlier in her life a Jehovah's Witness, but left that religion. I do know enough about them to know that they certainly do not embrace the symbols and elevate them to an untouchable status.
I appreciate you guys giving us some insight in how you both feel and so glad you are a part of this nutsy forum!
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This is what she was quoted as saying afterwards
"What she said was that she was very sorry, that she meant no disrespect, that she was trying to make a creative expression of her love for the country,"
Interestingly enough, I found some things in her bio as well. She may not have been the safest choice in the first place......
But top jazz musicians everywhere know Marie. So do a growing number of fervent jazz listeners. They're knocked out by her voice's suppleness and range, impeccable pitch and all-out way of living every lyric.
They also know about her penchant for risk - for defying authoritarian club owners, for liberating standard tunes from their ancient cocoons, for launching her socially provocative originals, with scant rehearsal, in packed concert halls. They know how she reinvents material from unlikely sources - Bonnie Raitt, Bob Seger, The Beatles.
Closer to home, Denver pianist Jeff Jenkins says: "She has the most complete vision of anyone I've ever worked with. She creates her own universe, and it's never the same twice. She's really into the give-and-take with other musicians, and once you enter that universe, there's complete freedom."
A daring medley
Marie calls herself a "GRITS" ("a Girl Raised in the South") but no one below the Mason-Dixon Line, or anywhere else, knows what to think the first time he hears the most daring medley in her repertoire.
When she first sang it in Mississippi, every jaw in the place dropped. When she called the tune, using its short name, in early rehearsal at the recording studio, drummer Jeff "Tain" Watts, who came up with New Orleans-born trumpeter Wynton Marsalis, dropped his sticks and said, "I'm not playing that."
Not playing what?
Marie, who relishes the drama of the unexpected, had thought to pair the traditional white anthem Dixie with the heartbreaking meditation on lynching Strange Fruit. She brought off the collision of opposites as an ironic comment on the way the world still works.
In Mississippi, black and white audience members approached her afterward with tears in their eyes and tragic stories to tell. The same thing happened everywhere else, too. Born in controversy, Dixie/Strange Fruit became the emotional centerpiece of Marie's much- praised CD Vertigo.
Anyone shopping for symbols can find one right there, illustrating the purposes of Marie's unblinking, semiautobiographical work.
"I want to make you laugh and cry," she says. "I want you to squirm uncomfortably in your chair, think of a loved one, get angry, hang your head in shame and raise your hand in protest. . . . I want you to take that leap, make that change, turn that corner."
That's just what she's done herself for the past decade, of course.
Bump...in case it got lost. She is just one of "those" people. Wierd, artsy, eccentric....
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It has a lot to do with your sweet spirit brother.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Bump...in case it got lost. She is just one of "those" people. Wierd, artsy, eccentric....
So this is pretty much the usual for her, but I think she could have picked a better time and audience. If it hadn't been for people dying in battle when that song was written, she would most likely never have had the freedom to sing in that venue, much less change the national anthem.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
So this is pretty much the usual for her, but I think she could have picked a better time and audience. If it hadn't been for people dying in battle when that song was written, she would most likely never have had the freedom to sing in that venue, much less change the national anthem.
In all fairness, at the time those people were dying, she probably would not have had the freedom to sing in that venue. I do understand what you are saying though, and I do think she may have learned a lesson in all of this. I am just saying that I would not be surprised to find out that she is genuinely surprised at the depth of the negative response she received.
I guess I need to be careful that some don't begin to see me as a militant radical myself. I just tend to be more measured in my reaction to things and try to dig for the possible explanations.
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