Do you ever interact on AFF in coherent discussion instead of petulant sarcasm?
I'm a firm believer in repentance -- my commentary is in agreement with Yadon, in how we've not properly understood it. Quit building straw men and making wise cracks on fallacious presuppositions.
yes. but not with wacky doctrine that even the local baptist guy would reject.
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bro seriously Adino and now you are suggesting that not even repentance is necessary. And I am throwing a temper tantrum?
believe me this isnt a temper tantrum.
this is utter shock that a christian can come up with something like this and call it doctrine.
bottom line, i dont even think either of you believe this. but it makes for fun attacks of Water Spirit doctrine.
maybe I am wrong maybe you really do believe this.
if that is the case then I just dont have a clue because you reject giant swaths of scripture to get there.
The subject at-hand is very much theological. Justification, Righteous imputation, etc... these are all theological words to describe something that's actually quite simple. Christ died, pleased God on your behalf already. This is received through grace by faith. Repentance, though separated like justification is to sanctification, is a simultaneous event to believing. Hearts turning toward God is what believing people do.
Christ did the work. Your forgiveness is on the cross. To be "alive to Christ," believe, calling on the name of the LORD.
hey i am not the one that has rejected the need for repentance. that would be you.... lets recap:
Yeah, repentance is a Moralist's campground.
nutty to say the lest... or are you projecting nonsensical false doctrine my direction???
Nice try. How about context. You are just making stuff up... turn on your ears and turn down the attitude
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This is a paraphrase, but Loren Yadon once wrote me that too many do not adequately understand repentance and this is why it is so difficult for them to properly understand sound doctrine. I tend to agree. Yeah, repentance is a Moralist's campground. This is where you show how sorry you are, you must have tears, and you must make a list of all the things you won't do anymore. It's about being a good boy, not about being alive.
FERD, the sin of unbelief was not imputed to Christ on the Cross. The Bible speaks of a sin unto death and I believe the sin of unbelief and/or rejecting Christ is that sin unto death. I would also consider this to be the blasphemy spoken of by Christ which is never to be forgiven. Unless a man believes he is condemned. Condemnation comes to the man who does not believe (John 3:18).
Biblical repentance means to turn back to God through faith in Christ. Conversion takes place in repentance and it is in conversion that we pass from death into life. ONLY those who have faith in Christ experience peace in regard to their sin and receive life.
The spiritually dead must believe in order to have spiritual life. This happens in repentance. The heart returning to God (i.e., repenting) must convert to Christ in order to have life. He that believes has life (John 3:15-16, John 3:36; John 5:24; John 6:40; John 6:47; John 11:25,26).
This is a paraphrase, but Loren Yadon once wrote me that too many do not adequately understand repentance and this is why it is so difficult for them to properly understand sound doctrine. I tend to agree.
Back to this post. This is VASTLY different from your opening post.
Here you clearly state that repentance appropreates salvation. which is the same as saying that it appropreates remission.
I dont agree but it is cogent and represents a side of the debate but it looks NOTING like the opening post, nor several other posts you have made here defending your OP.
Your Opening Post was just a blatant attack on people you dont agree with but in your haste to attack, you failed to even live up to your own doctrine.
silly at best.
oh, dont be nice. it isnt necessary.
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