End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Gal.3:28 there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus,
This scripture shows us there is no gender distinction in the church.

All that chapter speaks on the PROMISE of salvation: it does not touch the Ministry!

When we come together as the Church, God does not see Jews and Greek, bond or free, or male
and female. God see those who believed and obeyed the gospel: all bought by the same blood
and same sacrifice. He sees ONE BODY.

Now from that body He chose "...holy MEN of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."

[Scott Pitta]

The same Spirit move on them as they prophecy. The same Spirit bears fruit in both men and women. The Same Spirit that fills believers, both men and women.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Titus 2:4 says women can teach. They are to teach what is good, no restrictions as to who they can teach.

"The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becomes holiness, not false accusers,
not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women
to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers
at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed."

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

The same Spirit move on them as they prophecy. The same Spirit bears fruit in both men and women. The Same Spirit that fills believers, both men and women.

Yes, Beloved. But listen: Prophesying does not a prophet make; but a prophet, because
of his calling, must certainly prophesy!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

All that chapter speaks on the PROMISE of salvation: it does not touch the Ministry!

When we come together as the Church, God does not see Jews and Greek, bond or free, or male
and female. God see those who believed and obeyed the gospel: all bought by the same blood
and same sacrifice. He sees ONE BODY.

Now from that body He chose "...holy MEN of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."

Right. The whole idea that a natural law is superseded by a spiritual law is where people fall into GREAT fallacy.

The natural law is that a husband and wife are male and female. Receiving the spirit and the gift of salvation, does not change a man into a woman, or a woman into a man. Or... the spirit does not change a male into a female, or a female into a male... the spirit does not change the fact that you once were a Jew, and are now a Gentile... the spirit does not change the fact that you were a servant, and are now free. The spirit does not change the natural laws that are in place... but the spirit changes the spiritual... which is in Christ, salvation is equal for all.

Great fallacy to argue using anything but salvation using that scripture, although hundreds of false doctrines have come out of that one scripture, simply because people want to find a way to justify the means to their end.

[Scott Pitta]

Tue. But neither have anything to do with gender. If women prophesying does not violate the "be silent" rule, neither does women teaching.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Paul states that no only can women not teach, they must remain silent ( 1 Tim. 2:10.

But he also states they can teach and they can prophecy.

If women cannot teach, they also must remain silent.

Or, as I do, focus on the entirety of Scripture at the expense of individual passages that are not clear. Say what you will about 1 Tim. 2:10, it is not clear.

There is plenty of room for women to minister in the gifts of the spirit within the assembly, as long as they are not usurping the authority of their husband. Paul speaking in 1 Tim. 2:10 was because perhaps women were speaking out while someone was teaching, and perhaps interrupting.

When you take all the teaching of the NT, and put it together, you have to be honest, and admit that there is no scripture that simply says "a woman shall lead or teach the men"... it is just not there. It is quite clear that women should submit to the godly leadership of their own husbands, and to Christ.

Further, there is no scripture that a woman should submit to anyone else other than her own husband, either.

[KeptByTheWord]

I don't know how far back in this thread you've read, but I mentioned earlier my analogy of the hose in the garden. I think it is a beautiful analogy to the plan that God has in place for the growth of the church, and the protection of the home. Male and female were created to work together, not separately. Husband and wives as a team, much like Aquila and Priscilla. I know that Paul never had a wife, and it seems that was what the Lord had called him to.... yet the fact remains that a man and his wife are created to come together in unity, to bring about greater things *together* than working against each other or separately.

[rdp]

*Ahhh yes, Junia "the apostle". Someone needs to read Drs. Daniel Wallace & Mike Burer's paper on this (absurd) assertion. It is easily accessed on-line. It forever silences the very odd claim that Junia(s) was an "apostle" - it is horrid "hermeneutics" to say this individual was. Below is a quote from the NET translation-notes:


The feminine name Junia, though common in Latin, is quite rare in Greek (apparently only three instances of it occur in Greek literature outside Rom 16:7, according to the data in the TLG [D. Moo, Romans [NICNT], 922]). The masculine Junias (as a contraction for Junianas), however, is rarer still: Only one instance of the masculine name is known in extant Greek literature (Epiphanius mentions Junias in his Index discipulorum 125). Further, since there are apparently other husband-wife teams mentioned in this salutation (Prisca and Aquila [v. 3], Philologus and Julia [v. 15]), it might be natural to think of Junia as a feminine name. (This ought not be pressed too far, however, for in v. 12 all three individuals are women [though the first two are linked together], and in vv. 9-11 all the individuals are men.) In Greek only a difference of accent distinguishes between Junias (male) and Junia (female).


**Regarding the Greek phrase "well-known to the apostles" - again, the NET translation-notes (translated by some of the absolute greatest linguists on the planet today):


Or "prominent, outstanding, famous." The term ἐπίσημος (episemos ) is used either in an implied comparative sense ("prominent, outstanding") or in an elative sense ("famous, well known"). The key to determining the meaning of the term in any given passage is both the general context and the specific collocation of this word with its adjuncts. When a comparative notion is seen, that to which ἐπίσημος is compared is frequently, if not usually, put in the genitive case (cf., e.g., 3 Macc 6:1 [Ελεαζαρος δέ τις ἀνὴρ ἐπίσημος τῶν ἀπὸ τής χώρας ἱερέων "Eleazar, a man prominent among the priests of the country"]; cf. also Pss. Sol. 17:30). When, however, an elative notion is found, ἐν (en ) plus a personal plural dative is not uncommon (cf. Pss. Sol. 2:6). Although ἐν plus a personal dative does not indicate agency, in collocation with words of perception, (ἐν plus) dative personal nouns are often used to show the recipients. In this instance, the idea would then be "well known to the apostles." See M. H. Burer and D. B. Wallace, "Was Junia Really an Apostle? A Re-examination of Rom 16.7," NTS 47 (2001): 76-91, who argue for the elative notion here.


*Sorry, Junias never was - nor will this individual (whether male or female) ever be an "apostle." The Galatians 3,28 argument is downright silly. If there's no distinction between "male and female" in Christ whatsoever - then what would prohibit a man from wearing a dress, or even becoming like ol' Brucie Jenner ? See how silly that interpretation is?


*Again, biblical truth only comes to honest hearts - apparently some folks do not fear to tamper with God's Word...I do .

[Scott Pitta]

Walter Bauer would agree with you. He did not believe in women in ministry and that bias is seen in his Dictionary.

Other than the odd wording if 1 Tim. 2:10, the NT does not prohibit women in ministry.

In Gal.3:28, men did not stop becoming men and Greeks did not become Jews. Who they were, their social status, did not have any impact on their place in the body of believers.