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Originally Posted by Thad

No you didnt- you are serious? why ?

Why not!!! LOL!!! I will let you know if he e-mails me back..

[tamor]

Originally Posted by Thad

Help her Lord! sherri this is one of YOURS you know

It's all Sherri's fault! She wouldn't let me talk to you. Something about you being a bad influence.....

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Marvin Hicks told me personally that CG had the best affirmative argument of any debator he had ever heard. His rebuttals were not top notch but his affirmatives were over the top. But it always seemed to lack conviction to me personally. More from the head not the heart.

Godhead affirmative?

Paul Ferguson had the best I've ever heard.





Next to mine, of course.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Esther

That is a pet peeve of mine as well, folks always "knew" but never shared they knew until AFTER the fact!

UGHHHHHH, I HATE that as well! I have had that happen to me after two significant (read horrible) events in my life, people come and tell me or my family, "we knew". In one case, a pastor told me this. I was like "well, thanks for the heads-up".

[dizzyde]

Well, I feel like a idiot. I was asking my daughter if she remembered ever hearing a Christian Garrett preach, because the name kept ringing a bell. She stared at me like I was idiot, he preached a revival for us no more than 3 years ago. I don't know how I didn't remember, we did a big evangelism push for this revival, it was a big deal. I worry myself sometimes.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

UGHHHHHH, I HATE that as well! I have had that happen to me after two significant (read horrible) events in my life, people come and tell me or my family, "we knew". In one case, a pastor told me this. I was like "well, thanks for the heads-up".

Actually, unless someone KNEW for a fact, via confession or evidence, it would be wrong to do anything other than keep your mouth closed. I think usually "we knew" means "we suspected", and if there's nothing more than suspicion or opinion to go on, what's the profit in saying anything?

Just generally speaking...it's usually NOT a good idea to state something just because you suspect it or even have a good reason to "think" or "know."

Now, if someone actually KNEW something, and didn't tell me, I wouldn't appreciate it.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Actually, unless someone KNEW for a fact, via confession or evidence, it would be wrong to do anything other than keep your mouth closed. I think usually "we knew" means "we suspected", and if there's nothing more than suspicion or opinion to go on, what's the profit in saying anything?

Just generally speaking...it's usually NOT a good idea to state something just because you suspect it or even have a good reason to "think" or "know."

Now, if someone actually KNEW something, and didn't tell me, I wouldn't appreciate it.

Well these (mostly) were people who had first-hand information about what they were talking about, people who had seen things and never said a word. Because "they didn't know if I already knew about it". ??????? In that situation, I think a friendly,prayerful, "I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not" probably is in order.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Actually, unless someone KNEW for a fact, via confession or evidence, it would be wrong to do anything other than keep your mouth closed. I think usually "we knew" means "we suspected", and if there's nothing more than suspicion or opinion to go on, what's the profit in saying anything?

Just generally speaking...it's usually NOT a good idea to state something just because you suspect it or even have a good reason to "think" or "know."

Now, if someone actually KNEW something, and didn't tell me, I wouldn't appreciate it.

Say for instance if you knew a young woman in your church was getting ready to get married, and you happened to have first hand knowledge that her fiance was a falling down drunk, and you knew that he bought drugs, used them and distributed them to underage kids. And you knew that he had sucessfully led a double life for years without his own immediately family having a clue. But you knew. Would you perhaps feel a moral obligation to say something to this girl? Our would you feel it appropriate to wait until say her entire life had been ripped apart, and her church defrauded of thousands of dollars, and she was left with a small child to raise alone, and then walk up and comfortingly tell her that you knew?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

Say for instance if you knew a young woman in your church was getting ready to get married, and you happened to have first hand knowledge that her fiance was a falling down drunk, and you knew that he bought drugs, used them and distributed them to underage kids. And you knew that he had sucessfully led a double life for years without his own immediately family having a clue. But you knew. Would you perhaps feel a moral obligation to say something to this girl? Our would you feel it appropriate to wait until say her entire life had been ripped apart, and her church defrauded of thousands of dollars, and she was left with a small child to raise alone, and then walk up and comfortingly tell her that you knew?

dizzyde, I know I quoted your post , but I really was still talking about this thread's primary subject matter. I already answered your question, since I did state that if a person KNEW for a FACT, (that a person was gay or having an affair, etc.), they should tell. I simply clarified that suspicions and opinions are not the same as KNOWLEDGE and FACTS.

In the post Esther replied to, CG's mil was challenging the idea that anyone really "knew", since its easy to say after the fact that you "knew" something, when in really you only suspected.

Again, my point is, if you suspect someone of impropriety or criminal behavior or immoral behavior, telling everyone about it is NOT the appropriate response. If you have FACTS and EVIDENCE, that's a different story.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

dizzyde, I know I quoted your post , but I really was still talking about this thread's primary subject matter. I already answered your question, since I did state that if a person KNEW for a FACT, (that a person was gay or having an affair, etc.), they should tell. I simply clarified that suspicions and opinions are not the same as KNOWLEDGE and FACTS.

In the post Esther replied to, CG's mil was challenging the idea that anyone really "knew", since its easy to say after the fact that you "knew" something, when in really you only suspected.

Again, my point is, if you suspect someone of impropriety or criminal behavior or immoral behavior, telling everyone about it is NOT the appropriate response. If you have FACTS and EVIDENCE, that's a different story.

I'm sorry, I realize I kind of flew off the handle on that one. Sensitive subject, I ranted before my wisdom (such as it is) prevailed.