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Old 10-19-2007, 08:45 PM
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My parents have apologized and apologized to the point that they had to stop blaming themselves. My sister did go to a counselor and the counselor checked into finding this man.

I have never blamed God. He had nothing to do with it. I don't think my sister did or does either. One day this man will pay if he hasn't changed his ways. I hope for his sake he has.
Mrs. McD...your parents aren't to blame..the perpetrator is. I am glad they stopped blaming themselves. You can't be there all the time for your chidlren...that is why mothers have to pray....need to pray for their children.

You never stop being a mother...I worry about my children all the time. I worry/pray/trust God to protect them and support them. I pray for my grandchildren...they are my heart.
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:46 PM
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:48 PM
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Mrs. McD...your parents aren't to blame..the perpetrator is. I am glad they stopped blaming themselves. You can't be there all the time for your chidlren...that is why mothers have to pray....need to pray for their children.

You never stop being a mother...I worry about my children all the time. I worry/pray/trust God to protect them and support them. I pray for my grandchildren...they are my heart.
I guess I need to clarify - my parents blamed themselves for not turning him in. If they had it to do over, they would have.
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:49 PM
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I guess I need to clarify - my parents blamed themselves for not turning him in. If they had it to do over, they would have.
Hindsight is 20/20. None of us know what we would do under similar circumstances.

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Old 10-19-2007, 08:54 PM
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In our case, the man wasn't prosecuted or exposed. My dad thought he was doing the right thing for our family. I think in hindsight it hurt my family more. The whole truth should have come out and been exposed so that this man couldn't hurt anyone else. I look back and think how could we have been so stupid as to think we were protecting our family by not letting everyone know what had happened. That's messed up thinking. It was my sister that it happened to. Her life has never been the same. She is in the church and loves God but she isn't the sanguine person she once was.

I just wish that everyone that has issues like this would be exposed. I also think that if this man had been prosecuted, my sister would have some closure. It wouldn't change what happened but at least, she wouldn't feel as if he got off free.

A person who lives through this is never the same....
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:57 PM
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Hindsight is 20/20. None of us know what we would do under similar circumstances.

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Old 10-19-2007, 10:30 PM
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I guess I need to clarify - my parents blamed themselves for not turning him in. If they had it to do over, they would have.

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I don't know how to put this, but do You think that after what Your family has been through, Matthew 18 is not optional but mandatory?

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Old 10-19-2007, 11:34 PM
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Usually when some one has a perverse spirit they have a lying spirit as well.
If someone is openly homosexual I would tend to trust what they say more than someone who is a close homosexual or bisexual or a pedophille.Being open shows that a lying spirit is not paired with root spirit.
This Uncle person could well have the Pastor convinced that he is in the right.
Its possible.Pray for this pastor.
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Old 10-20-2007, 06:52 AM
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Usually when some one has a perverse spirit they have a lying spirit as well.
If someone is openly homosexual I would tend to trust what they say more than someone who is a close homosexual or bisexual or a pedophille.Being open shows that a lying spirit is not paired with root spirit.
This Uncle person could well have the Pastor convinced that he is in the right.
Its possible.Pray for this pastor.
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There is a huge difference between being homosexual [closet or otherwise] or a bisexual, and being a pedophile. That is like saying only homosexuals are pedophiles which is a false statement in itself.

The man in question was heterosexual. Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, bestiality, necromancy are all sexual sins which are committed between two consenting adults, or a dead person.

Pedophila is an act against a child, whether male of female. In this act there is a person in a stronger position of authority taking advantage of a person in a weaker position. There is lying, manipulation, sadism, and lack of conscience in a person who commits pedophilia.

Pastors get put is some very difficult positions, I agree. But I also know that if the heart of the Pastor is right with God, and he prays...God will reveal truth to him.

What I find is the case in many instances regarding Pastors is that if they actually do something to sit down or expose a sin like this then they lose something of benefit for themselves, such as; This Pastor would lose a son-in-law, a good tithe payer, and some status. Maybe a Pastor finds it easier to lose a saint on a pew than a key person in their media department, or there are secondary gains to be had by not protecting the innocent party.

In this case we need to pray for this father/grandparent/pastor, because he lost more than he was expecting by defending the wrong person. It is his first duty to protect his daughter and granddaughters, not his own or the church's reputation. He lost all because he did not believe his granddaughters.

He should have been aware of the signs [we should be aware of the signs]: The person's secret life has signs in other areas of their life. You have to look a the big picture and not just at this one incident.

I knew of a case where the word of one adult was questioned above the accusations of another. The one accusing was unfaithful in business, a known manipulator, troublemaker, was under discipline from a previous Pastor for immoral behavior, and totally dependent upon the things they could acquire from others to have their needs met. The other was a highly respected professional in the community and in the church.

The Pastor was in a quandry as to who they would believe without looking at the facts. They stood to lose too much in the way of the activity one performed in the church that if they paid for the expertise they could not afford the service. They stood by the person who's moral character was in question rather than the innocent party. It cost them many people in the church and years of rebuilding.

I said all that to say this; Yes, Pastor's need prayer but they also need common sense, sensitivity to the Holy Spirit, and they need to stand for the right/righteous. It is God's church and if a hole is left by the loss of someone you feel gives an invaluable service...don't you know that God will honor your righteous judgement and send you someone more qualified that who you were defending? It is God's church. He has more invested than the Pastor. Let God be God.

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Sister Rhoni I was referring to a perverse spirit actually.All of the above that I mentioned possess a perverse spirit whether it be pedophillia or homosexuality.The difference is whether a person has a lying spirit coupled with that perverse spirit.They are usually twin spirits.When a person is
closet homosexual they are embracing a lying spirit as well.If they are open they are not lying.They are embracing a spirit of deception but not a lying spirit.It may be different manifestations of a perverse spirit but it is one and the same.I want to reveal this as well.If a man or woman is embracing pornography they are embracing a perverse spirit as well and it is couple with a lying spirit.It is the same spirit.It might be manifesting in a different behavior but its the same spirit.There is no difference in the spiritual realm
when you go to cast this out.
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