Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

So you are suggesting that some business administrator in Hazlewood, who doesn't even have a call into the ministry, has real spiritual authority over me? How could he? I am not even UPC. And even if I were UPC he wouldn't have ANY spritual biblical authority over me.

BD - Can you name "some business administrator in Hazlewood?" Can you identify anyone on the staff there that fits this description? I know that there are a few accounting positions - but they are NOT tasked with tracking you down and taking your missions pledge to use for their private yacht. I remember one bean counter - who's still there today, and he prided himself and the WEC on its efficiency. The numbers and budget figures are published every year at General Conference. Can you imagine the uproar if anything even approaching what you alleged would take place?

When I worked there I knew just about everbody in the place, from the guy who cleaned the bathrooms to the GS. Nobody from that time fit your description, and I doubt things have changed that much since.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Hazlewood has no spiritual authority over anyone. My post that you quoted was an example of how Hazlewook is a "moneygrabbing" machine. Missionaries only get about 1/3 of the monies they raise once it goes through FD....

Where are you getting your information Bob D? If that was the case I don't see how a missionary would even be able to stay a whole term in their field of labour - particularly in some places.

Unless things have changed a whole lot then your 1/3 figure seems "off". How did you arrive at that anyhow?

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That or the "sisters" have their sights set so high that anyone that falls under their standard dare says "Hi, How are you" get's only a cold "fine" and they then they walk away from them. I think there are a lot of women that think they are gonna land a preacher no matter what and if you aren't a preacher then you aren't qualified....or if you aren't a PK whose daddy everyone knows, you aren't qualified

Whooooooooaaaaa, dude.
Are you saying nothing has changed since I went to UPC Youth Camp 30+ years ago???????

[ChTatum]

I have looked up "Hazlewood" and don't seem able to find it on mapquest.

Does mis-spelling indicate a lack of intelligence?

Or just ignorance and apathy?

Until fairily recent, the FM dept took only ten percent of designated offerings for the foreign missionaries. I think that has been raised somewhat since then. But, rest assured, it is not nearly 1/3rd.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That or the "sisters" have their sights set so high that anyone that falls under their standard dare says "Hi, How are you" get's only a cold "fine" and they then they walk away from them. I think there are a lot of women that think they are gonna land a preacher no matter what and if you aren't a preacher then you aren't qualified....or if you aren't a PK whose daddy everyone knows, you aren't qualified

Ah .... the perks of levitical lineage.

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Ah .... the perks of levitical lineage.

Shoot, and I am thinking "Pharisaical" when I should be thinking "levitical".

[Felicity]

Crazy - the ideas people get sometimes.

In regard to FMD and the "illegal" 10%. The missionaries never complained near as much as the pastors. Interesting, eh?

The missionaries mostly just felt thankful and blessed to be part of such a great Foreign Missions program and to be taken care of as well as we were. We always felt blessed and among the crowd we fellowshipped with there was great appreciation for FMD overall.

Sure, shop talk went on amongst missionaries and there are always things and people less than perfect but that's par for the course. There were things that could be improved then and I'm sure it's still the same today, but overall we were very well taken care of.

So ... there ya go.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

I have looked up "Hazlewood" and don't seem able to find it on mapquest.

Does mis-spelling indicate a lack of intelligence?

Or just ignorance and apathy?

Hazelwood.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...ate=mo&zipcode=

[Nahum]

I am continually amused by those who think they know the inner workings of religious bodies who, in fact, know absolutely zilch.

We may have a myriad of problems, but FM is definitely not one of them.