Is this becoming an EX-Pentecostal site?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Rico

I have yet to hear anyone get in a pulpit and say we don't need holiness anymore. Define holiness. ON second thought, don't. I am not in the right frame of mind to get into this right now.

You have got something there Rico!

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The trend is troubling. I hate it when people leave truth and others praise them for their newfound "freedom". It's as if abandoning all doctrine is meritorious.

On the other hand, legalism drives me batty too.

First, legalism is not truth (not that you said it was but in your accusing people of leaving truth you mentioned legalism in such a way as to suggest that it was truth). Second, are they leaving all truth or is it simply that they are finding certain Apostolic legalisms (the uncut hair issue, the unbiblical prohibition against beards, for example) and cultish practices (such as pastors telling saints they can't go on vacation) intolerable (of course, one might find some of these in some non-Apostolic churches as well)?

Some people call "standards" holiness and they idolize them... that is a fact.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOPE Pentecostal are those who preach Acts 2:38 whether from the PCI or PAJC stance. Teach the Oneness of God and baptize in Jesus Name. Very broad but not that broad.

So, for you, only those who are Apostolic are "Pentecostal"? Would it be accurate to say that you don't consider Church of God in Christ, Assembly of God, Church of the Foursquare Gospel, Calvary Chapel and other Pentecostal denominations to be Pentecostal?

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Chan

So, for you, only those who are Apostolic are "Pentecostal"? Would it be accurate to say that you don't consider Church of God in Christ, Assembly of God, Church of the Foursquare Gospel, Calvary Chapel and other Pentecostal denominations to be Pentecostal?

I can't answer for the Elder, but i am pretty sure we would agree here.
NO they aren't truly Pentecostal.

Originally Posted by AGAPE

good grief

And what is wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Old Paths

That's what I'm talking about...

That's why some Apostolic pastors shouldn't be pastoring anyone, because they will cause people to go to enternal damnation. The truth needs to be told.

What also could fix this problem would be for the person to seek God and study the Word for themselves and let God reveal it to them. Too many people put pastors on a pedestal, which makes them an idol.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by WordPreacher

And what is wrong with that?

You actually think that pastors are accountable...

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms.

W/P I have followed your line of reasoning for many months, on this and other forums.

You couldn't have followed my line of reasoning for many months because I haven't been on forums that long.

I can not take you serious for one moment.

Well, that's good for you, because I don't take this forum and other forums serious for one moment, unless they are actually talking about biblical things, which isn't much.

You are just to much man. I wonder if you
yourself actually believe the things you post.

You really don't know me, so you will never really know if I am serious or not. Until you actually meet me and know what I am really like, you won't know what I believe or how I actually am.

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

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That's a crook.

I know that some Apostolic pastors are crooks, but saying it has others knowing this too.