born of water

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

" In my name" is the same as saying "by my authority".
How does one speak in tongues in his name otherwise? Did you have to command yourself in the name of Jesus to speak in tongues? No. By the authority of Jesus himself you did so. He authorized you to do so!

There may be some instances where "in my name" would be translated "by my authority", without
twisting the context. I will not argue that point.

But to command oneself to speak in tongues? Give us a break: you know better! When a man submits
to the gospel, he receives repentance and remission of sin in His NAME, and the promise of the Holy
Spirit. What you don't seem to realize is that the detractors of the gospel will do anything to cause
believers to turn aside from the "...NAME that is above every name that is named." Perhaps you
have not heard: "He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned
already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of God." Folks,
especially those in the charismatic movement, are already denying his NAME
in the waters of baptism...and so on.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

There may be some instances where "in my name" would be translated "by my authority", without
twisting the context. I will not argue that point.

But to command oneself to speak in tongues? Give us a break: you know better! When a man submits
to the gospel, he receives repentance and remission of sin in His NAME, and the promise of the Holy
Spirit. What you don't seem to realize is that the detractors of the gospel will do anything to cause
believers to turn aside from the "...NAME that is above every name that is named." Perhaps you
have not heard: "He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned
already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of God." Folks,
especially those in the charismatic movement, are already denying his NAME
in the waters of baptism...and so on.

Being confused on what formula to use in the waters of baptism does not necessarily constitute "denying his name", especially if the person goes on to live for the Lord and proclaim him to others.

Secondly, "remission of sins preached in his name" certainly means "by his authority" as in, he is the only one who has authority to forgive sins.

Thirdly, the only way one can "turn away from the name" is to renounce the one who bears that name. A mistake that many of my brethren make is to seemingly separate the name from the one who nears it.

Finally, as to my point on tongues. In Mark 16, "by my authority" is the only logical interpretation of the phrase "in my name" as it relates to casting out devils, speaking in tongues, etc. Now certainly when we do something by Christ's authority we should proclaim by whose authority we do it so as to bring glory to him. But as it relates to our sins being forgiven, it is catholic error some are teaching on this board that the sinners sins will not be forgiven in the waters of baptism unless the baptizer invokes the name over the candidate. He should invoke the name. I'd even say it is error NOT to invoke the name. But God does not hold the one being baptized responsible for the frailties of the baptizer. I'll have more to say after Christmas.

May ALL have a wonderful Christmas day!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Sean, is it necessary to vocalize his name every time you do something in his name in order for him to consider you to have obeyed this verse? If I give a profit a cup of cold water in his name, do I have to say, "In the name of Jesus I give you this cup of cold water" for it to be valid?

Yes, if we are commanded to do it, then we should. Try it sometime, you will get a blessing.

[Sean]

As a new convert, I would have dreams from time to time that I was casting out devils...

In my dreams, when I would try to say the name... "Jesus", it felt like I could not talk.

I realize it was a demonic attack in my sleep.

I believe that the same enemy is attacking the Name of Jesus here on AFF.

Whos side you on brethren?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yes, if we are commanded to do it, then we should. Try it sometime, you will get a blessing.

So if God leads me to give a hundred dollars to someone, and I don't say "in Jesus' name" vocally when i give it, God does not count that act as having been done in the name of Jesus?

Sean, this is where your doctrine crumbles by its own silliness.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

As a new convert, I would have dreams from time to time that I was casting out devils...

In my dreams, when I would try to say the name... "Jesus", it felt like I could not talk.

I realize it was a demonic attack in my sleep.

I believe that the same enemy is attacking the Name of Jesus here on AFF.

Whos side you on brethren?

No, we are refuting a gross misinterpretation on the part of some concerning the significance of the name of Jesus. You take his "name". I'll take Jesus.

[Sean]

I will take both!!!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

I will take both!!!

Fine. But you really should stop falsely accusing people of "attacking his name". Some of yall's lack of scholarly interpretation is what gives our movement a bad name. Sorry to sound harsh.

[Sean]

Its fine bro.

I told you my dreams so you can see my perspective a little clearer though my experiences.

I really believe that the enemy is behind ANY false teaching. False teaching is a SIN, and demons are attracted to SIN.

I dont want to give these demons, that fear the name of Jesus, any leverage into my life or ministry.

I would rather say Jesus, than think Jesus!

And Mike is RIGHT!!!

The name Jesus is only powerful when used in FAITH!!!

[Sean]

In my dreams, I could only "think" Jesus, but not "say" Jesus!!!


In my dreams, my vocal chords were under attack!!!