Gay Marriage: For or Against?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What if there are biological factors? I'm sorry, but no amount of therapy could turn me gay. lol

I think you should do more research on reparation therapy. We have kids killing themselves over this kind of thing. It's not worth it. Therapy doesn't change the heart, the soul, or the mind. It takes a sovereign act of God to change a person, whatever their condition.

I'd also like to present to you that those that claim reparation therapy worked, are most likely not really "gay". You'd have to prove that they were truly gay and not just dabbling, confused, or caught up in something they thought was exciting.

When reading histories, it often starts with dabbling and experimentation.
It is called gender identiy confusion.

Piaget and Erikson both offer extensive cognitive development theories for humans. hopefully a male generates detachment in a healthy way from a mother and a dad.
The bible even talks about detachment and cleaving to a wife.

If gays carry a larger and wider scope of maladaptive behaviors as seen in counseling and hopspital admissions, what problems will "marriage solve"?

[Aquila]

I've read about blind tests with pharmones. Those who were reportedly "gay" biologically reacted to blind samples of same gender pharamone while those who were not biologically reacted to opposite gender pharamone.

It's called, "chemistry". It's in our biology. I'd say that their biology leaves them predisposed to this attraction given a biological component.

All this would mean is that they need a divine touch both spiritually, emotionally, and physically for wholeness according to the biblical perspective.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by coadie

Correct. That can be explained by environment. They were ofcourse in the womb together and have many of the same human contacts.
Lot of preachers kids become pastors. It is not biological.
I say if it is biological, it would be the same for both of a monozygotic pair.
That means 100%

In the case of the twins I mentioned, only the twins were gay. They had two brothers who were heterosexual. Four boys, raised in the same environment, two are straight, the twins are homosexual.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'd also like to present to you that those that claim reparation therapy worked, are most likely not really "gay". You'd have to prove that they were truly gay and not just dabbling, confused, or caught up in something they thought was exciting.

How does that work?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

You're missing the point. Even if someone can legitimately blame genetics, it's irrelevant. Sin is still sin, even if you ARE genetically predisposed to it. (As we ALL are.) Therefore, I don't need to waste my time arguing over whether something is truly genetic--because it doesn't change the conclusion about the behavior.

Amen. Blame is what prevents repentence. They may blame genetics and use it as an excuse.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Are you saying that discrimination is therefore right? Maybe you lost me.

I think you became lost. lol

Cindy asked me if I thought homosexuality was a choice or something that a person has no control over.

She then said that if it was a choice, "then there is no discrimination legally".

I was merely giving examples of how people can discriminate over other's people choices, and not merely over what they have no choice over. Thus, her statement would not be correct.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

When reading histories, it often starts with dabbling and experimentation.
It is called gender identiy confusion.

Piaget and Erikson both offer extensive cognitive development theories for humans. hopefully a male generates detachment in a healthy way from a mother and a dad.
The bible even talks about detachment and cleaving to a wife.

If gays carry a larger and wider scope of maladaptive behaviors as seen in counseling and hopspital admissions, what problems will "marriage solve"?

Many people "dabble" and don't go that rout. Most will tell you they felt same gender attraction from their earliest years though their family was perfectly normal.

As for maladaptive behaviors... don't you think that society's "witch hunt" against people who have their preference plays a part. I mean... what if someone told you that you were an unsaveable "abomination" for your preferences or predispositions? What if your family spoke about "people like you" before they knew you had this inclination? Don't you think that environmental factor would cause some maladaptive issues??? You hear your disposition condemned at home when dad watches the news, you hear your disposition condemned in church, you hear your condition condemned in politics, you hear that you're a monstrosity, social trash to be "corrected" through supposed "therapies". Coadie... that's enough to cause a lot of damage. Ask the parents of kids who have killed themselves over this.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Berkley

How does that work?

I'm not sure. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Amen. Blame is what prevents repentence. They may blame genetics and use it as an excuse.

They might. But we can explain it biblically by saying, "Yes, you were born a sinner. Yes, your flesh is fallen. But Jesus is a healer."

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I personally know a pair of gay [identical] twins--one of them died of AIDS.

There really isn't a threat from facing the idea that it's possible there's a genetic component to this tendency. Being born with a tendency toward any particular sin doesn't mean that God has endorsed the behavior. If that were the case, then all sin would be God-approved, because we are all born with a sinful nature. We don't judge what God has approved by first determining what our temptations are and then assuming they must be normal and God-given in our nature.

I'm sure there are a lot of heterosexual men who have the "tendency" to have sex with every woman they're attracted to, but God called that sin, too.

Well said.