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[SDG]

[quote=mizpeh;91747]That's because I do have a different view of salvation than you which I am not ready to let go of, but there are people here who are smarter than I am and who have more knowledge of the Bible than I do and I would like this discussion to be more than just about Acts 2:38.
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Some of the 'learned' among us don't know anything else but the pledge of allegiance.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

We have discussed the when and how of justification and remission at length ... in various threads ... especially here ...

Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

Apostolics ... even PAJCers disagree on the when and how of justification and remission.

And yes there are gaping holes in the Water and Spirit doctrine when faced w/ a variety of scriptures ... they cannot explain away.

Was the question of that thread ever answered adequately by either side?

I'll reread the thread.

[mizpeh]

Dan,

Here is something to think about....when are we accounted righteous? at the moment of initial faith or after living a life of faith and being brought before the throne of Christ? (Remember Romans is written to saints not sinners.)

4:24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, NASB

5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, NASB

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: KJV

5:19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. NASB

[J-Roc]

Reading Romans in its entirety, Mizpeh, is the right place for you to see and understand the wonderful GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ. Devour the book of Romans!!!! You won't regret it....

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Reading Romans in its entirety, Mizpeh, is the right place for you to see and understand the wonderful GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ. Devour the book of Romans!!!! You won't regret it....

I'm doing an inductive study on Romans. I'm using a NASB study bible and an inductive study technique designed by Kay Arnold. I've read the book thru twice to get started and am now breaking it down by sections. I've read chpt 1-5 ten times and still have a few more readings to finish looking up key words. It's a long process and I suspect that I won't be done til the end of summer. Paul wrote the book to Christians, Jews and Gentiles,...nevermind..

JRoc, the whole entirety of scripture has to fit together even Romans and Acts 2:38 which states very clearly that water baptism in Jesus' name is for (eis) the remission of sins not for sins that were already remitted. Acts 22:16 backs it up and there are two scriptures which say baptism saves us as well. Those four scriptures have to be totally explained away, which some have tried to do, to undo remission of sin and the salvic nature of baptism.

Can you answer the last question I asked Dan? When is righteousness credited to the believer, at initial faith or at the judgement seat of Christ? The three verses from Romans I quoted seem to imply a future reckoning of righteousness....and Paul is telling this to saints...

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I'm doing an inductive study on Romans. I'm using a NASB study bible and an inductive study technique designed by Kay Arnold. I've read the book thru twice to get started and am now breaking it down by sections. I've read chpt 1-5 ten times and still have a few more readings to finish looking up key words. It's a long process and I suspect that I won't be done til the end of summer. Paul wrote the book to Christians, Jews and Gentiles,...nevermind..

JRoc, the whole entirety of scripture has to fit together even Romans and Acts 2:38 which states very clearly that water baptism in Jesus' name is for (eis) the remission of sins not for sins that were already remitted. Acts 22:16 backs it up and there are two scriptures which say baptism saves us as well. Those four scriptures have to be totally explained away, which some have tried to do, to undo remission of sin and the salvic nature of baptism.

Can you answer the last question I asked Dan? When is righteousness credited to the believer, at initial faith or at the judgement seat of Christ? The three verses from Romans I quoted seem to imply a future reckoning of righteousness....and Paul is telling this to saints...

Mizpeh,

I will get back to you in a subsequent post regarding your question and the comments in your post....but let me leave you with one thought as you embark on your in-depth study til the summer which I commend you for....we should always read difficult passages in light of the easy-to-understand passages and not vice versa. In other words, let's not make easy passages fit our understanding of difficult passages....instead, the difficult passages should fit our understanding of easily understood passages...this is the best approach if we are to agree about the inerrant Word of God.

May God's grace and peace be yours in rich abundance; and
until next time, let's do something remarkable!

J-Roc

[Steve Epley]

I love Romans-Ephesians-Hebrews and yes I do preach Acts 2:38 as the only saving message in thie dispensation. I have taught and preached hundreds of lessons and classes from these wonderful books a Baptist didn't write them.
I can preach water baptism from all three if I need to!!!!!!!

[Actaeon]

One must never springboard over Acts to get to Romans. That's what the Calvinist and others do.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Actaeon

One must never springboard over Acts to get to Romans. That's what the Calvinist and others do.

Calvinists do that because they were predestined to they can't help it.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Actaeon

One must never springboard over Acts to get to Romans. That's what the Calvinist and others do.

One must neither engage in the Jeffersonian action of removing vital areas of scripture that do not fit their informal and anecdotal cannon.