Are you willing to say that the 1:100 children born intersexed need to be healed and must repent because they are contrary, by nature, to God's created design?
Where did you get your statistic from?
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The word that 1 Corinthians 6:10 uses for homosexual isn't the one translated "effeminate" but the one translated in the KJV as "abusers of themselves with mankind." The Greek word (arsenokoites) is a compound word that combines "male" with a euphemism for sexual cohabitation. Thus, the word is most literally translated "men who sexually cohabit with men."
Thanks, Chan. This isn't an area I'm familiar with so I just try and do the best I can.
I appreciate your help though.
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The Ten Commandments, while part of the Jewish law, aren't only for the Jews since they are mentioned elsewhere.
Homosexuality wasn't exclusively a Jewish law. Entire cities were destroyed for that sin whose inhabitants weren't Jewish.
I am still wondering what Laws got wrote on our hearts? Even if we say it is the Law of Love, Love will cause you to please God and keep his commandments. So while we may not be directly under the Law of the OT, we are under the Law of love, which will cause us to practice the rejection of the sins that the Law revealed to us.
The Ten Commandments, while part of the Jewish law, aren't only for the Jews since they are mentioned elsewhere.
Homosexuality wasn't exclusively a Jewish law. Entire cities were destroyed for that sin whose inhabitants weren't Jewish.
Well, no, Sodom and Gomorrah weren't destroyed for homosexuality, they were destroyed because of several different things that were symptomatic of those cities being "were wicked, great sinners against the LORD" (Genesis 13:13, though that was specifically said about Sodom and not the other cities of the plain). Those several different things are listed in Ezekiel 16:48-50 and, while homosexuality may very well have been among the abominations the people committed, there is nothing in scripture that says God destroyed those cities simply because the people in them were homosexuals engaging in homosexual sin.
Well, no, Sodom and Gomorrah weren't destroyed for homosexuality, they were destroyed because of several different things that were symptomatic of those cities being "were wicked, great sinners against the LORD" (Genesis 13:13, though that was specifically said about Sodom and not the other cities of the plain). Those several different things are listed in Ezekiel 16:48-50 and, while homosexuality may very well have been among the abominations the people committed, there is nothing in scripture that says God destroyed those cities simply because the people in them were homosexuals engaging in homosexual sin.
Ezekiels lists pride fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness, etc. as her sin. But it also says she "committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good".
It does not say what the abomination was. I guess it is just common thought that it must have been their homosexual activities due to the story of Lots exit of the city.
1. Do you acknowledge that God created male and female?
I acknowledge that...
"God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." [Genesis 1:27]
"God said, it is not good that man should be alone; i will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field...and brought them to Adam...but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him." [Genesis 2:18-20]
Because no help meet was found from the beast of the field that "the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept...the Lord god had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." [Genesis 2:21-22].
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2. Do you acknowledge that opposite-sex marriage (the covenant relationship, not some ceremony), by which I mean opposite-sex mating (which includes the sexual/romantic relationship, not merely procreation), is God's created design for male and female?
I acknowledge that...
A covenant relationship between male and female is acceptable in God's sight but I do not believe He divinely designed it as the only possible covenant relationship.
"Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul." [I Samuel 18:3]
"Saul said to David, thou shalt this day be my son in law in the one of the twain (twice)...And Saul gave him (David) Michal his daughter to wife." [I Samuel 18:20,21]
"Jonathan made a covenant with the house of Daivd...because he loved hiim: for he loved him as he loved his own soul." [I Samuel 20:16,17]
David said of Jonathan, "thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women." [II Samuel 1:26]
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3. Do you acknowledge that when God created male and female (referring to the first two humans), He did not create them with homosexual attraction (orientation)?
I cannot say with certainty what the orientation of Adam and Eve were but I would agree that they were attracted to each other which would indicate their orientation was heterosexual in nature.
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4. Do you acknowledge that homosexual attraction did not exist in the Garden of Eden and, therefore, that it came to exist subsequent to Adam's sin?
I think I would be comfortable acknowledging this to be true. I would point out, however, that many things that did not exist prior to Adam's fall and that those things are not sinful because they are the result of his fall.
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4. Do you acknowledge that Jesus equated the lustful thought with adultery?
I acknowledge that...
Matthew's account of Christ's teachings suggests that if a man looks at a woman with lust in his heart then he has comitted adultery (Matt 5:28).
"When lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." (James 1:15)
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5. Do you acknowledge that all sexual activity (including the thoughts) outside of opposite-sex marriage is fornication and, therefore, sin?
I acknowledge that...
Fornication, as defined by Strong's (NT:4202), means: as harlotry (including adultery and incest); and figuratively as idolatry.
Ezekiels lists pride fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness, etc. as her sin. But it also says she "committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good".
It does not say what the abomination was. I guess it is just common thought that it must have been their homosexual activities due to the story of Lots exit of the city.
And for about 9000 years it was referred to as "a sodomite" for no real reason?
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Well, no, Sodom and Gomorrah weren't destroyed for homosexuality, they were destroyed because of several different things that were symptomatic of those cities being "were wicked, great sinners against the LORD" (Genesis 13:13, though that was specifically said about Sodom and not the other cities of the plain). Those several different things are listed in Ezekiel 16:48-50 and, while homosexuality may very well have been among the abominations the people committed, there is nothing in scripture that says God destroyed those cities simply because the people in them were homosexuals engaging in homosexual sin.
Regardless, the point is that just because Jewish law mentioned sin doesn't mean it was exclusively for Jews. The Jewish law didn't even exist in the time of Sodom and Gomorrah, but something had to be said by God for those people to be judged for their sins.
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Ezekiels lists pride fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness, etc. as her sin. But it also says she "committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good".
It does not say what the abomination was. I guess it is just common thought that it must have been their homosexual activities due to the story of Lots exit of the city.
And since Jewish laws didn't exist in that day, it can be safely assumed that they weren't destroyed for wearing wool and linen together or eating shellfish.
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