Is it against the law now to release records on Obama?
Same question. Yes or no answer.
So the 11 months before he was elected President, were just not quiiiiite long enough to decide where this character was actually born. I mean the GOP had a lot of other important stuff going and didn't really have the money to hire a good PI to look into this.
Afterall, it was just a matter of eligibility for their opponent in vying for the Presidency of the U.S.
Or, then again, they came to the same conclusion that Democrats came too, that he was a legal U.S. citizen. That sounds a little more logical.
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Aww ok, it's about time. You've finally admitted that Republicans could have been party to legal action concerning his citizenship. I guess they just decided to play nice this time, and not cause any problems with other party's candidate??
Could the Republican party not prove in court an open fact of "proof" that you believe to be the case?
You believe you've already proved it, so why couldn't the best legal minds from the RNC?
I am glad you asked. In fact Obama was worried about that exactly.
Mike you are very foolish on this matter.
The first day in office Obama without Congress wrote an executive order. It declared all his proof, papers, history to fall under executive privelege. His fear of some getting their hands on it caused this.
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When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
So the plot thickens. We have an order he was very anxious to write.
So it covers him also when he is out of office. You are not bright enough to know this. We also can see it is not something in the form of a law run by congress a law making branch. That could have embarassed him
So when you, bud light or twisp ask for proof, this shady character wrote a self proclamation to cover himself.
Cowards need to prevent people from getting "proof"
It is rather uneducated on your part to not know this. The second someone files a court case, the nasty pals show up with pitchforks and threaten people?????
Abortion. First thing Obama does in office is write an executive order ending any and all restrictions for funding the world on abortions and invoking all manner of protection over all documents regarding him
You should be very embarrassed for not telling us this. Wouldn't the liberal media pals of your tell us this? Wasn't this on teevee?
So when your lips are flapping and begging for proof and claiming lack of proof means lack of any and all problems I refer you to this. He covered himself knowing there was a problem
This is how fascism looks. It looks like your demands for proof have been shot down by Obama.
HIDING proof is as important as aborting babies. You voted for both. He did it with urgency!!!!
So the 11 months before he was elected President, were just not quiiiiite long enough to decide where this character was actually born. I mean the GOP had a lot of other important stuff going and didn't really have the money to hire a good PI to look into this.
Afterall, it was just a matter of eligibility for their opponent in vying for the Presidency of the U.S.
Or, then again, they came to the same conclusion that Democrats came too, that he was a legal U.S. citizen. That sounds a little more logical.
The convention was the end of August. Not 11 months, a little over 2 months before election. The donkeys didn't start cussing Gov Palin and saying all kinds of nasty things about her until she was on the ticket.
The vulgarity from the dems on her was wicked. Women hating motherhood hating.
She was Baptized in Jesus name and attacked for that. Again, it didn't start 11 months before nov 4. Wasn't much of a PI on her. Not when huffington Compost can make smears. why investigate.
Dems have the money. From the George $oros billions. His criminal record now has two financial fraud convictions.
He is on your side.
Of course he left his friend Hillary.
Coadie can show you the actual laws at the time. I think he already posted about it on this thread. Perhaps he can point us back to it.
1. Because mom was a certain age; she could not pass on American citizenship to a child born outside the country.
2. EVEN if Obama was born in Hawaii; he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as the Constitution requires because his father was a British citizen with an allegiance to another country. The founding fathers were grandfathered from this requirement as none of them would have otherwise qualified.
3. By the time this was ready for the Supreme Court to address it was probably too hot a potato for them to want to handle.
4. Nevertheless, things just got more interesting with the military changing Major Stefan's orders rather than expecting Obama to prove his qualification to be president in court. Looks like a great get out of war card which someone else is likely to attempt again in the future.
1. You (and Coadie, who's been told before but refuses to read it) misunderstand the wording of that part of the immigration law. I'll try and find it later, but it was explained, I believe on Snopes. In addition, since Obama was born in Hawaii (there has yet to be proof presented to the contrary), this doesn't apply to him. Here's a link for you though. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
2. Do you have the definition of 'natural born citizen' according to the INS? According to Snopes, there isn't one. It's left up to the individual states to define it, from what I've read. According to the 14th amendment, even if both of his parents were non-citizens, him being born in Hawaii makes him a natural born American citizen.
3. I don't believe that if there was any credibility to his non-citizenship that the Republicans would have let it go.
4. I don't know what to say about that. LOL!
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The U.S. Law in effect during Mr. Obama’s birth stated if you are born abroad to one U.S. parent and a foreign national, the U.S. parent must have resided in the United States for ten (10) years, five (5) of which were after the age of Fourteen (14) in order to register the child’s birth abroad in the United States as a "natural born" U.S. citizen, under the Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952, United States of America v. Cervantes-Nava, 281 F.3d 501 (2002), Drozd v. I.N.S., 155 F.3d 81, 85-88 (2d Cir.1998), United States v. Gomez-Orozco, 188 F.3d 422, 426-27 (7th Cir. 1999), Scales v. Immigration and Naturalization Service 232 F.3d 1159 (9th Cir. 2000), Solis-Espinoza v. Gonzales 401 F.3d 1090 (9th Cir. 2005).
Under the Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952, is the law that applies to a birth abroad and is in effect at the time of birth, MarquezMarquez a/k/a Moreno v. Gonzales 455 F. 3d 548 (5th Cir. 2006), Runnett v. Shultz, 901 F.2d 782, 783 (9th Cir.1990) (holding that "the applicable law for transmitting citizenship to a child born abroad when one parent is a U.S. citizen is the statute that was in effect at the time of the child’s birth").
Stanley Ann Dunham, Mr. Barry Soetoro’s mother, was only 18 when she gave birth to Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. She was not old enough to register Obama’s birth in Hawaii or anywhere else as a United States "natural born" citizen as she did not meet the residency requirements pursuant to our United States Laws; as such it does not matter that this is a minor technicality, the law is applied regardless -- see United States of America v. Cervantes-Nava, 281 F.3d 501 (2002), Drozd v. I.N.S., 155 F.3d 81, 85-88 (2d Cir.1998).
Again, this doesn't apply to him since he was born in Hawaii, making him a natural born citizen even if both his parents weren't citizens.
Even if she wasn't old enough to 'pass on citizenship', his birth in the US alone makes him a natural born citizen.
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I have read this many times.
The Obama drama Drones believe they can trump these laws by using a forged/fake docunment.
Today Obama is coming unhinged. His Healthscare bill is choking. His minions are afraid of going home for recess and facing confrontations.
Obama has a little relief since all the living witnesses are dead.
According to twisp, Daffy Duck is elgible for POTUS unless we can prove old daffy isn't. (the only other reason is that every one assumes daffy is elgible because no one has stepped forward to reject the duck)
It seems we need educational reform.
Coadie, all I've ever seen from you is a refusal to believe the proof produced, yet you fail to produce anything to the contrary.
Do you have proof he was born elsewhere? Put up or...well, you finish that one.
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1. You (and Coadie, who's been told before but refuses to read it) misunderstand the wording of that part of the immigration law. I'll try and find it later, but it was explained, I believe on Snopes. In addition, since Obama was born in Hawaii (there has yet to be proof presented to the contrary), this doesn't apply to him. Here's a link for you though. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
2. Do you have the definition of 'natural born citizen' according to the INS? According to Snopes, there isn't one. It's left up to the individual states to define it, from what I've read. According to the 14th amendment, even if both of his parents were non-citizens, him being born in Hawaii makes him a natural born American citizen.
3. I don't believe that if there was any credibility to his non-citizenship that the Republicans would have let it go.
4. I don't know what to say about that. LOL!
snopes is slop,,
Since July 7 they for some spurious reason even changed where they claimed the birthplace of Obama to be.
My company has retained a legal immigration firm for times when we bring a professional to work in the states. This isn't new. It cost a lot of money to just get clearnac for some. Snopes is not a legal entity.
"Refuses to read" is a very dishonest claim on your part.
It just seems I have access to more case law and actual legal resources than you are aware of.
Snopes is the grade school level of inquiry. wiki is a sept above by very little.
Uneducated people refer to snopes. snopes will NOT investigate squat.
Actuall there a re a lot of lawyers out there that to some extent do PI work and know their way ariound courthouses and archived records.
It takes money for them to move. I am on the phomne in a bit with a legal worker that buys land mineral rights. Lot of ground time tracking down people for mineral rights. He doesn use pop ups like classmates.com and the jusk for children
Snopes lied and said Obama was born at Queens. The they swithced ot another hospital when Obama did. Both can;'t be true and both can be false.
that is why Obama wrote an executive order sealing his documents.
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