Changing Denominations

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

BTW I forgot to add I admire the spirit of BISHOPH.

Thank you kind sir! While I may not post often, I do read nearly every day, and I always enjoy your input and admire your good spirit.

[LadyCoonskinner]

Originally Posted by Shawn

2000 years and all the people of the earth, and standards that are based off of a snapshot from 50 or 60 years ago.....I don't buy it for a second......

The Apostles and early disciples wouldn't measure up....I think it's sad.

I believe in modesty.

UMMMMM, dude you are waaaaaayy off...this isn't about standards!!! *(even this hard nosed conservative knows that!!!!) good grief!!!

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Will there be anyone in hell that deserves to be there?

Hmmm. An unusual question with an apparently obvious answer.

This looks like a pit covered up with twigs and leaves.

I think I'll wait and let somebody else go first.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by bishoph

ILG I can agree with much of what you posted here. The bolded portion however, is really upsetting to me. As a UC, I take great exception to this far too common broad brush generalization. The UC’s that I fellowship with are nothing like this at all, and are some of the most loving and accepting Christians I have ever met. For the record, being mean spirited and “saying horrible things” is not “what we are” and it is not "what we do.” As you have already stated there are many libs who constantly spew out hateful and denigrating junk as well. The real issue is not a UC/Lib issue it is a heart issue.

My experience has led me to understand that the majority of those labeled UC are simply wonderful Christian men and women who are strongly committed to living and following deeply held convictions. IMO, a UC’s refusal to change their stand regardless of what others around them may do, often leads to them being charged as being mean and harsh. And when they genuinely say they hurt for, and are praying for those who are turning away from what they deeply hold as biblical truths and principles, they are called “holier than thou’s.”

Further, it has been my experience that some (no broad brush here) of the most judgmental, hateful and disrespectful people are those who have found “liberty.” They are so consumed with proving that what they left is so restrictive and legalistic, that you can hardly have a normal conversation without them making a jab. I would think that this new found “liberty” would make one happy and joyful, but far too many are so bitter that they will do/say anything to persuade others to follow.

As I already stated, the issue is one of the heart. There are those that use their UC designation to mask their stinking pride, dead religiosity, and false humility. They are the true modern day Pharisees who may look good on the outside but are full of dead men’s bones. But they do not represent the true nature of a UC. Likewise there are the Lib’s who constantly flaunt their liberties with disdain for not only the religious community they have left but for the people as well. These are the modern day Scribes which Jesus rebuked as well.

Respectfully
Bishoph

Very good post & very good insight.
It is a heart issue, no matter what view you take.

Thank you Brother!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Will there be anyone in hell that deserves to be there?

We all deserve Hell.

It is the mercy & Grace of God that anyone escapes going there.


Oh yeah, the Bible says Lucifer & his minions deserve thier fate.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Shawn

2000 years and all the people of the earth, and standards that are based off of a snapshot from 50 or 60 years ago.....I don't buy it for a second......

The Apostles and early disciples wouldn't measure up....I think it's sad.

I believe in modesty.

Have you any standards to define modesty, or is your modesty without any defining parameters?

Is a loin cloth modest on a hot day in downtown St. Louis?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Have you any standards to define modesty, or is your modesty without any defining parameters?

Is a loin cloth modest on a hot day in downtown St. Louis?

Are you saying what was modest in the garden of Eden may not be considered modest in St Louis?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Will there be anyone in hell that deserves to be there?

How many will be in heaven that don't deserve to be there?

:-)

As far as hell, we all deserve it.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by bishoph

ILG I can agree with much of what you posted here. The bolded portion however, is really upsetting to me. As a UC, I take great exception to this far too common broad brush generalization. The UC’s that I fellowship with are nothing like this at all, and are some of the most loving and accepting Christians I have ever met. For the record, being mean spirited and “saying horrible things” is not “what we are” and it is not "what we do.” As you have already stated there are many libs who constantly spew out hateful and denigrating junk as well. The real issue is not a UC/Lib issue it is a heart issue.

My experience has led me to understand that the majority of those labeled UC are simply wonderful Christian men and women who are strongly committed to living and following deeply held convictions. IMO, a UC’s refusal to change their stand regardless of what others around them may do, often leads to them being charged as being mean and harsh. And when they genuinely say they hurt for, and are praying for those who are turning away from what they deeply hold as biblical truths and principles, they are called “holier than thou’s.”

Further, it has been my experience that some (no broad brush here) of the most judgmental, hateful and disrespectful people are those who have found “liberty.” They are so consumed with proving that what they left is so restrictive and legalistic, that you can hardly have a normal conversation without them making a jab. I would think that this new found “liberty” would make one happy and joyful, but far too many are so bitter that they will do/say anything to persuade others to follow.

As I already stated, the issue is one of the heart. There are those that use their UC designation to mask their stinking pride, dead religiosity, and false humility. They are the true modern day Pharisees who may look good on the outside but are full of dead men’s bones. But they do not represent the true nature of a UC. Likewise there are the Lib’s who constantly flaunt their liberties with disdain for not only the religious community they have left but for the people as well. These are the modern day Scribes which Jesus rebuked as well.

Respectfully
Bishoph

I apologize for being too broad with my statement. Not all UC's are that way.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Just remember if you wear a robe or a tunic out in public wear one that is sewed for the sex you are.