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06-30-2008, 06:03 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
You guys might be right. I said the exact same thing at the time that this happened. It doesn't make sense that a district can pull a license from another district's minister. However, our pastor was told by an expert in the UPC procedures that this was correct.
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I can also vouch for what they are telling you. One district cannot "pull" the license of a minister from another district.
They can cause him all sorts of grief by blackballing him in their district and by contacting his DS and filing a complaint asking for his license to be pulled.
There are actually a few weird situations where a pastor pastors in one district but holds his UPC license in another district due to politics and or personal animosity. At least that was the case as recent as just a few years ago. They may have closed that loophole with all of the WWPF turmoil, etc.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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06-30-2008, 06:04 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
I'm gonna go eat supper.
Have fun.
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06-30-2008, 06:12 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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I'm not sure Clyde Haney actually taught this doctrine. That he believed it is a different story. He and my father discussed it many times.
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And Bishop Haywood was distancing himself more from that doctrine in his last years. Most quotes given are from earlier years.
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06-30-2008, 06:19 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
And Bishop Haywood was distancing himself more from that doctrine in his last years. Most quotes given are from earlier years.
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Oh boy .... do you have documentation for this stance or more testimonials???
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06-30-2008, 06:36 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
???
How bizarre to say this!
If I had to guess, I would say this 90% plus of this forum is Oneness Pentecostal. *
Do you mean to say the majority are not the type of Oneness Pentecostal who take a strong separatist stance and condemn all others?
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I did not finish... 
* Oneness Pentecostal as defined by Talmage French when he wrote "Our God Is One".
If I recall correctly, the criteria centered on two questions.
1.Do you baptize in Jesus name (with a verbal invocation)
2.Do you teach one speaks in tongues when they are baptized with the Holy Spirit?
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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06-30-2008, 06:38 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I did not finish...
* Oneness Pentecostal as defined by Talmage French when he wrote "Our God Is One".
If I recall correctly, the criteria centered on two questions.
1.Do you baptize in Jesus name (with a verbal invocation)
2.Do you teach one speaks in tongues when they are baptized with the Holy Spirit? |
Gee, that's a pretty loose definition.
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06-30-2008, 06:38 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
What do they mean exactly by light doctrine?
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Sister it means that those people you are trying to win to the Lord will be saved if they love god and do all that they know to do. The judge and his family were saved and would go to heaven without being baptised in Jesus name according to the light doctrine. Just walk in all the light and you will be saved. The devil's doctrine.
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06-30-2008, 06:40 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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Why does it bother you that I have that opinion?
I thought this was a place for opinions to be expressed? 
I am not a strong separatist.
I am strong doctrinally.
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Because your opinion is wrong!  
Well, doctrinally you are a separatist!
I am actually not bothered by you being this at all... UNLESS you then redefine Oneness Pentecostal and Apostolic as being ONLY your stripe.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-30-2008, 06:40 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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Gee, that's a pretty loose definition.
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Yes, I agree to that.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-30-2008, 06:42 PM
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Re: Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Di
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Because your opinion is wrong!
Well, doctrinally you are a separatist!
I am actually not bothered by you being this at all... UNLESS you then redefine Oneness Pentecostal and Apostolic as being ONLY your stripe. |
You can do whatever you want with the word "Apostolic." I have never identified myself as such.
However, there are some intrinsic characteristics that are patently Oneness Pentecostal.
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