We do have a sweet baby girl and we have individual insurance. We have a high deductible plan and pay most expenses out of pocket so we are very aware of how much health care costs. We need a more market driven health care system, rather than a government operated one.
A very pragmatic view. Free markets are wonderful things. They allow the providers of goods and services to better meet the needs of the consumer. And the more choices available, the more freedom within the market place.
Milton Friedman's popular book Free to Choose outlines this principle well.
If you had to have a major operation or transplant and couldn't affored it, say the medical cost would run the 100s or thousands, would you take govermental help with your bills?
Then start by paying your "fair share" of the Social Security taxes. I'll take you a lot more seriously when you do that. I'm paying for YOUR free loading ways, Commissar.
Bro. I pay into Social Security, I don't know what you're talking about.
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LOL! you keep arguing that single payer isnt what is being proposed but you say that single payer is the way to go.
now both may be true, but single payer means government mandated price controls and NO COMPITITION
Under a single payer system there can be competition. When the Government negotiates prices you and I benefit...but those health care networks and pharmaceutical companies that come aboard get the biggest contract in their history.
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that is the number one recipe for disaster!
It's done very well in many countries. Admitted, some countries have botched up their system. Not every national health insurance system works well. We'd have to look at all the options.
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and single payer in England has led to such things as turning sheets over instead of washing them to cut costs and other nice debates like not treating fat people for fat related issues because they got themselves fat.
Those things happen in the US too bro. And social debates are just that, social debates.
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Bro. I already have a government negotiated plan. I only pay $40 dollars a month in premiums. A single payer plan would cost me more not less. LOL
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I mean this in a good way, You sound a lot like Ron Paul, fiscally speaking.
Nina
And I agree with our brother, Ron Paul is a first class nut.
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If you had to have a major operation or transplant and couldn't affored it, say the medical cost would run the 100s or thousands, would you take govermental help with your bills?
Mark, your question isnt related to the discussion at hand. The fact is, there are laws already in place to help those who cannot afford health services.
We arent talking about that. we are talking about governmenet mandated single payer health care.
these are vastly different things.
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If you had to have a major operation or transplant and couldn't affored it, say the medical cost would run the 100s or thousands, would you take govermental help with your bills?
Well, you bring up another issue as to why health care costs so much. We do whatever is necessary to keep someone alive a few more hours, days, etc. when sometimes the right thing is just to let them go. If I needed a major operation or transplant and couldn't afford it, I would pray that God would heal me or He could choose to take me home.
Well, you bring up another issue as to why health care costs so much. We do whatever is necessary to keep someone alive a few more hours, days, etc. when sometimes the right thing is just to let them go. If I needed a major operation or transplant and couldn't afford it, I would pray that God would heal me or He could choose to take me home.
I believe that a Christian society would work as a society to see to it that your ability or inability to afford a life saving surgery or treatment isn't an issue. And if you die simply because you couldn't afford a surgery, we’ve failed you and disregarded the very principle of holding life sacred. Womb to tomb, we should work to protect life. Rather it is measures to influence women to choose life, universal health insurance, or laws protecting you from euthanasia. As a Christian I stand solidly for protecting your life. The only exception would be if such measures were against your personal wishes, or in the case of incapacitation, the wishes of your family.
The life of the homeless bum on the street is just as valuable as the millionaire’s. The idea that one or the other cannot afford a life saving surgery should be eradicated from our worldview and thought processes.
That’s my opinion.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Well, you bring up another issue as to why health care costs so much. We do whatever is necessary to keep someone alive a few more hours, days, etc. when sometimes the right thing is just to let them go. If I needed a major operation or transplant and couldn't afford it, I would pray that God would heal me or He could choose to take me home.
Excellent point!!!!!!
CH What makes you think those 18,000 a year that die were not ready?! You could have all the medical care in the world around you but if God is ready to take you home, guess what?? Your gone brother!
That works in reverse also, you can put a gun to your head and pull the trigger and if it's not Gods will all your gonna get out of it is a couple nights in the hospital and a migrain.!!
How many cases a year are there when something tradgic happens and people walk away from what others have died from.
There is an old saying "If the good Lords willing and the creek don't rise"
Your spending all your time and effort fighting to keep the creek from rising when the bottom line is, If the good Lord is willing it anin't gonna amount to a hill of beans what the creek does..
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Bro. I pay into Social Security, I don't know what you're talking about.
Most govt. employees are exempt from the system and participate in their union pension plans. From your earlier comments I took that this was the arrangements you were under as well.
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