Do you know the proper greeting at a "singles conference"?
Praise the Lord Sister.
How are you Sister
So good to see you Sister.
Great to be here Sister
Hey Sister still single I see
Oh Sister we are going to have fun
I cant wait till church time Sister
Sister are there any new Sisters here?
My My Sister you sure havent changed
Praise the Lord Sister.
How are you Sister
So good to see you Sister.
Great to be here Sister
Hey Sister still single I see
Oh Sister we are going to have fun
I cant wait till church time Sister
Sister are there any new Sisters here?
My My Sister you sure havent changedPraise the Lord Sister.
How are you Sister
So good to see you Sister.
Great to be here Sister
Hey Sister still single I see
Oh Sister we are going to have fun
I cant wait till church time Sister
Sister are there any new Sisters here?
My My Sister you sure havent changedPraise the Lord Sister.
How are you Sister
So good to see you Sister.
Great to be here Sister
Hey Sister still single I see
Oh Sister we are going to have fun
I cant wait till church time Sister
Sister are there any new Sisters here?
My My Sister you sure havent changedPraise the Lord Sister.
How are you Sister
So good to see you Sister.
Great to be here Sister
Hey Sister still single I see
Oh Sister we are going to have fun
I cant wait till church time Sister
Sister are there any new Sisters here?
My My Sister you sure havent changedPraise the Lord Sister.
How are you Sister
So good to see you Sister.
Great to be here Sister
Hey Sister still single I see
Oh Sister we are going to have fun
I cant wait till church time Sister
Sister are there any new Sisters here?
My My Sister you sure havent changedPraise the Lord Sister.
How are you Sister
So good to see you Sister.
Great to be here Sister
Hey Sister still single I see
Oh Sister we are going to have fun
I cant wait till church time Sister
Sister are there any new Sisters here?
My My Sister you sure havent changed
CAUSE THERE AINT NO BROTHERS THERE......THEY DONE BEEN SNATCHED UP!!!!!!
That or the "sisters" have their sights set so high that anyone that falls under their standard dare says "Hi, How are you" get's only a cold "fine" and they then they walk away from them. I think there are a lot of women that think they are gonna land a preacher no matter what and if you aren't a preacher then you aren't qualified....or if you aren't a PK whose daddy everyone knows, you aren't qualified
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
A pastor still doesn't have the right to take designated funds and do with them as he so pleases! ITS NOT HIS MONEY!
Unless the givers and/or those that worked the fundraisers approve of the change, those designated funds MUST be sent in according to organization guidelines, not according to the whim of some disgruntled pastor!
BINGO!!!
Not only is it unethical to take designated funds and use them in other ways, but I do believe it's also illegal to do so.
Now, the way they get around this is by taking special offerings for "the youth" or "the ministries the youth support." In such cases, most people give cash and don't put it in an envelope specifying that it's for SFC. I know a couple pastors who's m.o. is to take the non-designated cash offering and use it for whatever. even if it was taken in a special offering. A little slimy and unethical, but that's just them.
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A pastor also doesn't have the right to strive for his/her own views to the disunity of the body.
How much "unity" will be brought by these actions?
And if perchance a pastor does go to the givers and explains what he would like to do with the funds and requests their approval, how much unity would be brought by a pastor going to his people with his gripes and complaints about the organization, its practices and the brethren within it???
It's funny, but I bet these Pastors wanting to withhold SFC money are the same one's crying for and demanding unity in the UPC by defeating the tv resolution.
I'm all for the Pastor's being able to protest to their little, hardened hearts content. However, if you want to protest NAYC, do so by not promoting it in '09; or by not sponsoring or allowing the youth to go.
Pastors would condemn saints to hell if they were to withhold tithes and offerings because they didn't agree with the Pastor. But Pastors are above the little people and therefore are able to do whatever they want without questions or consequences.
Also, Pastors would excommunicate a saint for sharing united discontent against the Pastor. Yet, there's been almost nonstop criticism by Pastors against the GYD. Again, refer to the difference between Pastors and little people in the paragraph above.
As for Dora, again, she's a young girl - leave her alone. So she wore a skirt that was right to her knees and the cameraman tried getting a perve pic...that wasn't her fault. Where's the outrage against the cameraman? What was he thinking?!?
And her dress to non-UPC award shows...again, don't blame her. As has been stated, most honorees, presenters, or celebrities have their wardrobe selected for them by designers and their agency.
She didn't do a J-Lo and wear some sheer dress with a v-neck plunging down below her navel . . . and she wasn't exposing more than most there.
Most of this is much ado about nothing. The excuse about taking down the public photo-op pics of her is dumb. AFF wouldn't bear any legal responsibility because the pics were taken and published with permission from her agency, otherwise they wouldn't be on the net in the first place.
That excuse is as incorrect and dumb as BD's statistics on % of SFC offerings.
Unfortunately, because of my work schedule, I won't be able to get back online until either tomorrow or the next day.
Not only is it unethical to take designated funds and use them in other ways, but I do believe it's also illegal to do so.
Now, the way they get around this is by taking special offerings for "the youth" or "the ministries the youth support." In such cases, most people give cash and don't put it in an envelope specifying that it's for SFC. I know a couple pastors who's m.o. is to take the non-designated cash offering and use it for whatever. even if it was taken in a special offering. A little slimy and unethical, but that's just them.
It's funny, but I bet these Pastors wanting to withhold SFC money are the same one's crying for and demanding unity in the UPC by defeating the tv resolution.
I'm all for the Pastor's being able to protest to their little, hardened hearts content. However, if you want to protest NAYC, do so by not promoting it in '09; or by not sponsoring or allowing the youth to go.
Pastors would condemn saints to hell if they were to withhold tithes and offerings because they didn't agree with the Pastor. But Pastors are above the little people and therefore are able to do whatever they want without questions or consequences.
Also, Pastors would excommunicate a saint for sharing united discontent against the Pastor. Yet, there's been almost nonstop criticism by Pastors against the GYD. Again, refer to the difference between Pastors and little people in the paragraph above.
As for Dora, again, she's a young girl - leave her alone. So she wore a skirt that was right to her knees and the cameraman tried getting a perve pic...that wasn't her fault. Where's the outrage against the cameraman? What was he thinking?!?
And her dress to non-UPC award shows...again, don't blame her. As has been stated, most honorees, presenters, or celebrities have their wardrobe selected for them by designers and their agency.
She didn't do a J-Lo and wear some sheer dress with a v-neck plunging down below her navel . . . and she wasn't exposing more than most there.
Most of this is much ado about nothing. The excuse about taking down the public photo-op pics of her is dumb. AFF wouldn't bear any legal responsibility because the pics were taken and published with permission from her agency, otherwise they wouldn't be on the net in the first place.
That excuse is as incorrect and dumb as BD's statistics on % of SFC offerings.
Unfortunately, because of my work schedule, I won't be able to get back online until either tomorrow or the next day.
You are correct. It seems that this place is becoming more and more censored. I've been watching it happen and it's only getting worse.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
You are right...Hazelwood doesn't. But the leadership that resides at Hazelwood (and elsewhere) DOES have spiritual authority.
So you are suggesting that some business administrator in Hazlewood, who doesn't even have a call into the ministry, has real spiritual authority over me? How could he? I am not even UPC. And even if I were UPC he wouldn't have ANY spritual biblical authority over me.
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That authority is understood when one applies for and accepts license with the organization. Submission is not forced, it is simply understood and expected. (And I'm not talking about the "blind", "no questions asked" kind either.)
So you are suggesting that some business administrator in Hazlewood, who doesn't even have a call into the ministry, has real spiritual authority over me? How could he? I am not even UPC. And even if I were UPC he wouldn't have ANY spritual biblical authority over me.
I disagree...
You aren't even UPC. What do you care?
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
You are correct. It seems that this place is becoming more and more censored. I've been watching it happen and it's only getting worse.
Guys as an admin I had no issue with it NOR did I have a problem with the YC doing anything. To make this about what the Admins here do is getting a little too much.
For me, the only issue was that people were commenting on this girl here about how she was dressed and even making comments about her personally, then there were others that were complaining about how would they feel if someone was saying all this stuff about their daughters. Those people were offended too.
It seemed like everyone had an issue with the pictures being posted and this kid being discussed as it was here on this public forum. For that reason only I support having the picture of her at the MTV music award removed. I have no problem with anything else in that thread.
We have ALWAYS ALWAYS done things like that even at NFCF with pictures people post. This forum is NOT getting MORE into censureship.
Now, please, if you have an issue with what the Admin does, take it to PM and discuss it there. Let us Admin this board as best we can. It's not easy but it certainly is a lot less easy with people constantly second guessing and complaining.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I don't think anything was bad. But from what I hear they had some troop doing a steppin routine and they highlighted a young lady who is the voice for Dora a cartoon character that is a syndicated program I guess and some are upset at that because she is associated with TV
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Hazlewood has no spiritual authority over anyone. My post that you quoted was an example of how Hazlewook is a "moneygrabbing" machine. Missionaries only get about 1/3 of the monies they raise once it goes through FD....
BD - you said that before and several people disputed it. Do you have any actual figures to substantiate that claim?
From my recollections of my time there- what I remember was that on the average there was something like 10 - 20 percent of the total PIMs that were "swallowed up" by HQ. This included a "tithe" from the FMD to WEC's admin fund for the facility, office space, additional staffing and printing costs. There was a dispute way back then called, "The Illegal 10%" where some pastors (not missionaries) protested against the admin fee. The FM director spent about 2 years explaining the admin costs and virtually every missionary from around that time concurred that it was reasonable.
There were also some missionaries that were more successful at raising PIM support than others. In a spirit of cooperation it was seen rather frequently that one missionary would "share" PIM support with another or others. This would of course result in the generous missionaries' "percentage" being much higher than others- but it got people through deputation and back on the field much more quickly.
I have never heard or seen anything that suggests 2/3 (66%) of a missionaries budget is kept by HQ. Why do you keep citing that figure? Think about it- it's a ridiculous number to even throw around.
And to call WEC a "money grabbing machine" is also uncalled for. Look at my past posts - I'm hardly an apologist for the UPCI or WEC. But c'mon! Your exaggerations belittle the real objections that we raise.
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