i cannot fathom how you got this out of what brother E said.
Your kidding?
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
So when you try and get them to discuss the doctrine of salvation, they spout clouds of obfuscatory smoke about how it is Jesus who saves, and it is a journey, and blah blah blah.
You probably don't know this but some folks thinks standards are salvational.
Just trying to see which direction he was going.
I can't imagine Bro. Coonskinner being of that mindset. He seems to be a very erudite individual.
I don't think PP disagrees with that much at all, what he has said has been blown completely out of portion. Does this not show shallowness of the fellowhip, if I disagree in one point (or three) I am tainted? PP made a very valid point about slamming seekers with extra biblical requirements. Accept on this forum there does not appear to be a safe place for pastors to be open and have honest discussion. Don't shake the web you might make me look bad to those I preach to?
I have maintained this on more than one occasion. Where does someone go who is in the organization and has legitimate questions? A few, indeed, have someone who they can sincerely trust and won't judge them or think they are backslidden. For the most, though, you just continue mull things over in your mind and in the scriptures until you come to a conclusion.
If you are bold or honest enough to share you views or questions, you should be prepared to have the proverbial, label slapped on your back without your knowledge. Then being ostracized is not far behind.
This certainly doesn't happen in every District, but it does happen repeatedly and many are hurt and disillusioned because of it. I do know some men in upper levels of UPCI leadership who won't criticize you, but there are probably more who will "mark" you and remember you and even share your name with others as one of the "others."
That is why it is so important to have a forum such as this where things can be shared in relative anonymity. I dare say that if some at headquarters knew what some of "theirs" were saying, that there would be a high price to pay for it. I know that because of numerous communications I have received from some of them who work there.
I wish I could declare that the "Inquisition" concluded with the "Infernal Document" but others have let me know that isn't the case. So sad!
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Well done, you've brought out the texture of this forum. Let her rip!!!
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
no i am not. the good Elder was simply saying that Christ Church is a decendant of the PCI men. but it doesnt look or feel like the old PCI men that came before. Period. I think you read what he said with a jaded eye because of how much you disagree with the Elder on everything else.
That post wasnt him telling us his doctrinal view. it wasnt even passing judgement on who is right. just an explination that fits with the theme of this thread. Go back and re-read.
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I have maintained this on more than one occasion. Where does someone go who is in the organization and has legitimate questions? A few, indeed, have someone who they can sincerely trust and won't judge them or think they are backslidden. For the most, though, you just continue mull things over in your mind and in the scriptures until you come to a conclusion.
If you are bold or honest enough to share you views or questions, you should be prepared to have the proverbial, label slapped on your back without your knowledge. Then being ostracized is not far behind.
This certainly doesn't happen in every District, but it does happen repeatedly and many are hurt and disillusioned because of it. I do know some men in upper levels of UPCI leadership who won't criticize you, but there are probably more who will "mark" you and remember you and even share your name with others as one of the "others."
That is why it is so important to have a forum such as this where things can be shared in relative anonymity. I dare say that if some at headquarters knew what some of "theirs" were saying, that there would be a high price to pay for it. I know that because of numerous communications I have received from some of them who work there.
I wish I could declare that the "Inquisition" concluded with the "Infernal Document" but others have let me know that isn't the case. So sad!
Yes, I appreciate your post. I have been out of the UPC for 20+ years, but still have some innate need to have some of these discussions. It is amazing just how deep our early programming is ingrained. While I appreciate my home heritage which is still my foundation, my deepest disappointment is that the strong outward holiness teaching actually immunizes one from the need for a deep personal relationship with Jesus.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Yes, I appreciate your post. I have been out of the UPC for 20+ years, but still have some innate need to have some of these discussions. It is amazing just how deep our early programming is ingrained. While I appreciate my home heritage which is still my foundation, my deepest disappoint is that the strong outward holiness teaching actually immunizes one from the need for a deep personal relationship with Jesus.
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