Christmas is not pagan

[diakonos]

Thanks for stopping by to see 4 people argue about Christmas.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Thanks for stopping by to see 4 people argue about Christmas.

Make sure to join us in a couple of weeks for "Is MLK, Jr. Day Pagan?"

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Make sure to join us in a couple of weeks for "Is MLK, Jr. Day Pagan?"

It's communist.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's communist.

No thread hijacking!

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Can you elaborate on this?

Words I just made up on my keyboard, the language is called type2fast.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I've noticed the LDS has hijacked the old classic/sacred hymns, knowing that this might be a draw for Protestants who are tired of a rock concert every service or a guy on a keyboard singing songs that nobody knows. Additionally, they openly refer to themselves as Trinitarian. Since most self-professed Trinitarians today have drifted into blatant tritheism, they might feel right at home in the LDS. I'm just waiting for the LDS to start emphasizing "being saved by grace" as the next ploy.

I've now heard two LDS members confess the trinity. The rest I know openly confess to the vision Smith had which is dualism, "Heavenly Father" and "Jesus Christ". And some in their speech do not openly suggest Smith as God, yet they do say he will be there seated in judgment helping "Heavenly Father" judge us.

As far as being saved by grace, the president is always receiving revelations so we'll see what a spirit will speak next into his ears.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Words I just made up on my keyboard, the language is called type2fast.

Ah, I thought you'd come up with a metric verse numbering system or something.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I've now heard two LDS members confess the trinity. The rest I know openly confess to the vision Smith had which is dualism, "Heavenly Father" and "Jesus Christ". And some in their speech do not openly suggest Smith as God, yet they do say he will be there seated in judgment helping "Heavenly Father" judge us.

As far as being saved by grace, the president is always receiving revelations so we'll see what a spirit will speak next into his ears.

I once found an old Mormon edition of the King James Bible. It included an introductory section explaining what the LDS believes. Under the heading "Trinity" it plainly asserted the LDS believes in the Holy Trinity of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. However, the description it gave was clearly and undeniably tritheistic. Interestingly, the Holy Spirit was something other than the Holy Ghost. Essentially, the Holy Spirit was the "divine mind" shared by the Father and Son, whereas the Holy Ghost was a "spirit-person" alongside the Father and Son forming the "trinity".

Like all fake religious cults, the doctrine changes left and right and sometimes reverses itself repeatedly.

On a side note, one can prove the Oneness doctrine and the new birth from the Book of Mormon. But then again, the LDS doesn't actually follow the Book of Mormon, they follow the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, and the various statements of the leadership.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Where in the New Testament in any of the Epistles are we shown the celebration of Christ's birth? Ecclesiastes 7:1 is pretty plain, "a good name is better than precious ointment, And the day of death than the day of one’s birth." Trying to show a predate of an Xmas tradition of Christians would need to be established with their ancient documents which we have in the epistles of the Apostles. But trying to prove, or establish a case based on later ancient Christian sects is problematic. Due to heresies which were taught by many ancient Christian sects. Xmas is Western and Eastern Roman mass. Will you also argue for the other holy days within the months of December and January? The whole debate of Xmas being Christian usually stem from a Protestant view point. Because no mention of the other holy days which revolve around the Xmas, are even taken into account. All anyone tries to prove is the Xmas being a celebration held by the original Christians. Yet, never trying to prove the other holy days as being originally practiced by the early church. Xmas (as we have today) is a culmination of different pagan, and heretical Western and Eastern Roman traditions.

Xmas is religious mess.

Thanks, and good night.