Gay Marriage: For or Against? - Page 25

MissBrattified · #**241** 09-01-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

I don't believe that homosexuality is a matter of nature, but I think that if this study is true it is presenting the opposite of what Coadie is arguing. 38% is a very high percentage...exponentially greater than the average.

I personally know a pair of gay [identical] twins--one of them died of AIDS.

There really isn't a threat from facing the idea that it's possible there's a genetic component to this tendency. Being born with a tendency toward any particular sin doesn't mean that God has endorsed the behavior. If that were the case, then all sin would be God-approved, because we are all born with a sinful nature. We don't judge what God has approved by first determining what our temptations are and then assuming they must be normal and God-given in our nature.

I'm sure there are a lot of heterosexual men who have the "tendency" to have sex with every woman they're attracted to, but God called that sin, too.

coadie · #**242** 09-01-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

I don't believe that homosexuality is a matter of nature, but I think that if this study is true it is presenting the opposite of what Coadie is arguing. 38% is a very high percentage...exponentially greater than the average.

Correct. That can be explained by environment. They were ofcourse in the womb together and have many of the same human contacts.
Lot of preachers kids become pastors. It is not biological.
I say if it is biological, it would be the same for both of a monozygotic pair.
That means 100%

Aquila · #**243** 09-01-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

If you want the therapy to turn you gay. Strait is a default setting. Sure, one can choose to be gay. If one doesn't want to respond to therapy, it doesn't work.
Claims that reparation therapy does damage are false.

What if there are biological factors? I'm sorry, but no amount of therapy could turn me gay. lol

I think you should do more research on reparation therapy. We have kids killing themselves over this kind of thing. It's not worth it. Therapy doesn't change the heart, the soul, or the mind. It takes a sovereign act of God to change a person, whatever their condition.

I'd also like to present to you that those that claim reparation therapy worked, are most likely not really "gay". You'd have to prove that they were truly gay and not just dabbling, confused, or caught up in something they thought was exciting.

coadie · #**244** 09-01-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I personally know a pair of gay [identical] twins--one of them died of AIDS.

There really isn't a threat from facing the idea that it's possible there's a genetic component to this tendency. Being born with a tendency toward any particular sin doesn't mean that God has endorsed the behavior. If that were the case, then all sin would be God-approved, because we are all born with a sinful nature. We don't judge what God has approved by first determining what our temptations are and then assuming they must be normal and God-given in our nature.

I'm sure there are a lot of heterosexual men who have the "tendency" to have sex with every woman they're attracted to, but God called that sin, too.

Adam blamed Eve. Blame it on genetics is alive and well in alcoholism and other addictive behaviors.

Aquila · #**245** 09-01-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Indeed. And, while reading your post, the following thought came to mind...

Freedom is sacred, Liberty is Holy, and taking un-granted power over another is evil... in every form.

True. Sinners are sinners. We can't use the police power of GOVERNMENT to regulate them unless what they're doing truly endangers the life, liberty, and/or property of another.

Aquila · #**246** 09-01-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

Getting edgy? Can't read the bible? Big word alert. Wicked.

Genesis 13:13
But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly
apparently the household of Lot didn't fit the bill of wicked.

Genesis 18:23
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Lot an observer of human behavior says

3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Lot didn't seem confused about the Sodomites wanting sex with the stranger that were guests.

Another version

5 They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot calls the behavior wicked. He knew what it was. I take Lot's observation of behavior at face value.

There is a very high propensity toward pedophilia amoung sodomites.

11And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.

12And he took away the sodomites out of the land,

has that changed?
I suspect doing right in God's eyes will get him called a homophobe today by the gay advocates.

Coadie... they were trying to rape Lot. Their society was violently given over to this practice as an act of violence. While sin is sin, this was deplorable. A far cry from two women peacefully cohabitating.

Aquila · #**247** 09-01-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisp

I do not know for sure, since it has not been verified.

Even if it is a choice, that does not mean they cannot be discriminated against.

Religious discrimination happens all the time, and religion is a choice, not something people have not control over.

Discrimination also happens against disabled individuals, which, are not always biological in nature.

Are you saying that discrimination is therefore right? Maybe you lost me.

Aquila · #**248** 09-01-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

Adam blamed Eve. Blame it on genetics is alive and well in alcoholism and other addictive behaviors.

No one is "blaming it on genetics". We are trying to explain that even if there is a biological component, it's the result of mankind's fall. There is NO good thing in our flesh (biology).

MissBrattified · #**249** 09-01-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

Adam blamed Eve. Blame it on genetics is alive and well in alcoholism and other addictive behaviors.

You're missing the point. Even if someone can legitimately blame genetics, it's irrelevant. Sin is still sin, even if you ARE genetically predisposed to it. (As we ALL are.) Therefore, I don't need to waste my time arguing over whether something is truly genetic--because it doesn't change the conclusion about the behavior.

MissBrattified · #**250** 09-01-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

No one is "blaming it on genetics". We are trying to explain that even if there is a biological component, it's the result of mankind's fall. There is NO good thing in our flesh (biology).

Exactly!

This is like a merry-go-round....lol...I think I'm getting dizzy.