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06-26-2009, 01:09 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Ed, you are actually wrong on these numbers. The UPC has over 30,000 ministers.
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Originally Posted by Maple Leaf
Worldwide being the key.
I wonder what percentage of the 30,000 had television privileges before the resolution that has Oletime's knickers in a knot?
If memory serves me right, the UPC of Jamaica has allowed television for several years.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Sure, but that was Oletime's assertion too.
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The assertion was that there was a voting bloc of 30,ooo ministers. That is, quite simply, not true.
The assertion was that the issue passed by 900 votes. Again, not true.
The assertion was that all ministers, worldwide, operate from the same manual. Again, not true.
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06-26-2009, 01:11 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
The assertion was that ALL ministers had a vote. Not true.
Until last year, only a select number of ministers within the UPC could vote, even though all of them held license and paid dues.
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06-26-2009, 01:34 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
Methinks oletime is having fun pretending.
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06-26-2009, 01:48 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Ed, you are actually wrong on these numbers. The UPC has over 30,000 ministers.
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tanks sh, appreciate the confirmation. when i said upc i didnt mean just our little corner of the world and the usa is just a fly speck in the ocean but i didnt say WORLDWIDE my bad ! btw just to set he record straight for everyone, i never got anything in a bunch i didnt bash anyone for watching whatever, i dont live thier life and im not responsible for them , im just saying it was wrong to do this the way it was done it was contending to detriment unless someone wants to believe that its no big deal that the upc lost the bookers, godairs,coons personaly i dont think so, but that is just my opinion do i have a tv? no, will i get one anytime soon? no, have i been know too catch part of a sporting event now and then on one somewhere? sshhh !.would i watch one in front of you if i knew you would be offended ?no , if meat offendeth my brother ... know what im saying? a lot of people seem to have forgotten that m leaf , dont know probably a bunch that still doesnt change my basic point jmho ,the carrie underwood thiing? just a joke, if you think you found something minor it doesnt mean the whole thing is bad . ill take her with more then one pimple, just as long as she doesnt turn into lyle lovett, look up a picture of him.although it didnt seem to matter to julia roberts was it ? again just a joke folks !
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Reason: spelling etc
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06-26-2009, 02:22 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
 UPC didn't lose anyone!!!!!!! They know where they are.
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06-26-2009, 03:09 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
Oletime et all, I don't see it as "losing" these folks like Wilson and Goodair.
It simply frees up people to follow their direction in good conscience.
As far as that goes all ultra conservatives could have stayed and been free to live as they wished. It is the intolerance that divides. I don't enjoy that fact, but if it must be then perhaps cordial is best.
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06-26-2009, 07:18 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
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The assertion was that all ministers, worldwide, operate from the same manual. Again, not true.
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Is "The Manual" as we know it only applicable to the continental U.S.A.?
How many "Manuals" are there?
If tv is not an issue in some of the countries, how about hair? I had heard somewhere that the requirement for long hair on ladies was only an American UPC issue. Is that correct? Are UPC ladies allowed to trim/cut their hair in other countries?
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06-26-2009, 07:49 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Is "The Manual" as we know it only applicable to the continental U.S.A.?
How many "Manuals" are there?
If tv is not an issue in some of the countries, how about hair? I had heard somewhere that the requirement for long hair on ladies was only an American UPC issue. Is that correct? Are UPC ladies allowed to trim/cut their hair in other countries?
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i would assume its suppose to be applicable worldwide there is only one gs,and if ya go to brazil or anyplace else the majority that i have seen dress appropaitely etc etc im sure there are those dont, but just like here you can do whatever you want to. thats why we are free moral agents. you cant pass enough rules to make some people follow anything" ya gotta have the want to" Sam, to quote one of the great ones. ps Sam i didnt assert anything . i said what i said it was pretty clear. nor did i bash anyone for doing whatever it is they want to do.
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06-26-2009, 08:10 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Oletime et all, I don't see it as "losing" these folks like Wilson and Goodair.
It simply frees up people to follow their direction in good conscience.
As far as that goes all ultra conservatives could have stayed and been free to live as they wished. It is the intolerance that divides. I don't enjoy that fact, but if it must be then perhaps cordial is best.
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so true and its merely the upc repeating history if you can get a copy of bro chambers message in 1968 at atlantic city. i have heard it. it was powerful and prophetic. it happens to all org unfortunately its human nature i guess
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06-27-2009, 09:38 AM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Originally Posted by Sam
We are not a UPC church nor is our pastor UPC.
The church is independent.
Our pastor was ordained through RHEMA where he went to Bible School.
He is also ordained in an organization called WME (Worldwide Missionary Evangelism). The website for that organization is
http://www.wmeinc.org/
I don't know of any "platform standard" for the singers, etc. I have never heard of it if there is, but I do not lead worship. I have taught midweek Bible Study in a Tee shirt, shorts, and sandals and it has been no problem. I don't remember ever seeing anyone in a tank top leading worship but I personally would have no problem with it. My pastor has facial hair and wears shorts but I don't ever remember seeing him preaching on Sunday morning in shorts. He ordinarily does not wear a tie when he preaches.
It is my personal opinion that it is none of my business how a brother or sister dresses. That is between the brother or sister and his or her Lord. |
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