I was simply addressing the notion that she didn't address the GC because she was female.
No, I agree with you there. I was just making another point (the fundamental difference than inviting a sitting President versus a candidate). I do not think there is any merit to the accusation that they would not have her because she is a female. She has probably galvanized members of the org. more than any male candidate since Reagan.
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1. I deny your implications. When the witchcraft of legalism backs off, I back off. However, it seems likes as the facts roll in, my comments were right on target... Seem like I was a bit premature in my statement. I'm not a prophet, I just know human nature.
...Saturday night......
Well, it reminded me of a combination between an Abbot and Costello skit and one of those worldly "Christian concert/meetings" that you attend anticipating worship, preaching, and an inspiring, challenging message. (In this case, being world missions night and a General Confrence, an inspiring, challenging call to support missions), only to find its all about receiving the offering, and everything else is a side note.
"Lets have the offering for an hour, then we can go eat..... OH, wait, we have to have a little preaching first. Maybe some music.....Oh, you mean there was already a choir trying to sing? Well golly gee, We were too busy with twisting arms to notice." HA HA HA but didn't you love our comedy routine folks?
The poor preacher..... absolutely NO atmosphere, no worship, or moving of any spirit other than a desperate need for a bathroom break, and then they hand the poor guy the mike and say preach!?!? They killed any spirit of worship with a total lack of organization. The Choir was starting to sing at one point, and worship was starting to break out. the problem was, that song was planned to have been the prelude to the preaching. A song of worship, praise and focus on God. But after a one hour pledge offering, a comedy skit AND forcing them to sing it during the general offering... well, they killed any "moving" dead in its tracks. (By the way, that choir had learned a song custom written and specially prepared for the conference's general offering. The MC called the ushers up to receive the offering, the choir started singing the offering song, the ushers got in place, then the guy launched into the hour long pledge offering,((That had a different set of ushers)) leaving the ushers AND the choir high and dry looking like they didn't know what they were doing. He then tells the choir to "Sing your last song while the offering is received" An offering for a general conference with thousands of people..... most songs last three to four minutes..... ad this is supposed to be seeting the service for the preaching of the word?)
I have seen much larger offerings received when the focus is on God first, and then showing the desperate need for an offering, and relying on God for the compassion of people and the desire to give.
Not twisting arms and making people think, "y'all aint gettin out of here till you PLEDGE!!" The worship, and the message were completely shoved to the side. Not cool...
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...eye witness accounts tell me there was only about 4,000 by Friday
and only about 1,500 last night. Sad.
When you compare it the days when GC use to have 20,000, 12,000
just in the day services alone and compare it to this one?
It's just not about numbers either. I've been to recent ones
and can tell you, it's nothing like it use to be. I'm not reveling
in the past - I've talked to a lot of people, even young preachers
who are walking away shaking their heads asking " what is going
on"?
I hope that doesn't sound like a sales pitch for the Anti UPC crowd
on the right and on the left. I'm disappointed that they are
ALLOWING it to die. I don't get it.
The folks that went and don't remember what it use to be will
think it was just great. I understand. they have nothing to compare
it to.
While the upci was doing their dog and pony show, I was in a service where at least 50 people were baptized in the name of Jesus. The preacher said they baptized 300 people in the past month.
I agree with the poster who said some may think its great because they haven't been to previous gc's. Unfortunately the only GC service I was able to attend left a bad taste in my mouth. I felt bad for the missionaries and their families. Being paraded on stage like slaves at an auction. I admire the missionaries. One can't deny their burden for the lost.
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2. UPCI brass were fawning all over GWB in 2000 and 2004. At least Palin is "one of us". She is dunked right, jabbers right. Can't say the same for GWB. I don't buy the upci line they would have to invite someone from the other party. It never stopped them before. A woman with that much charisma scares a lot of them. You and I know what the discussion would be like if Palin was able to speak to the conference.
Since when has the upci been concerned about being fair? How many women does one see in a prominent role at GC?
With that being said, I don't believe politicians should be able to make political speeches in a service. I was against it when Huckabee visted the largest oneness church in Pontiac, Michigan.
The reason for not having politicians speak at GC is because scripture says not to esteem one above the other. A politician permitted to speak in a service, or is allowed to have a visible part in the service is a distraction to the move of God.
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TV - it might be beneficial for you to read this thread.
I hope Palin uses the term "Soccer Mom". It would be worth the price of admission to see the self righteous recoil in disgust.
tv1a, I don't see these kinds of vitriolic reactions as the norm among Apostolics. Perhaps you are using your own recent troubles as a faulty measuring stick toward others? Self-righteousness can come in many forms.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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tv1a, I don't see these kinds of vitriolic reactions as the norm among Apostolics. Perhaps you are using your own recent troubles as a faulty measuring stick toward others? Self-righteousness can come in many forms.
Great line. Kind of like a saying I once saw: "I'm modest and (blank) proud of it"
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Great line. Kind of like a saying I once saw: "I'm modest and (blank) proud of it"
LOL!!! Exactly.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
My friend saw video on you tube where the name of Jesus was said at SP baptism. Most likely, scriptural.
Palin's home church is a tongue talking church. Palin hasn't disassociated herself with her church. Her staff may feel uncormfortable, but she doesn't.
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In the titles, most likely. AofG.
Maybe. A spokeswoman for the campaign says Palin does not consider herself a Pentecostal.
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My friend saw video on you tube where the name of Jesus was said at SP baptism. Most likely, scriptural.
Palin's home church is a tongue talking church. Palin hasn't disassociated herself with her church. Her staff may feel uncormfortable, but she doesn't.
I believe you are talking about the video that was posted here. The pastor was introducing her and said "she was baptized in Jesus name".
Is there a spirit of dillusion in the house or are people looking the other way?
Mrs. Soccor mom would make a great vice-president, but dont' invite the woman to speak. GC could have picked up a few thousand extra seats for a Palin event.
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tv1a, I don't see these kinds of vitriolic reactions as the norm among Apostolics. Perhaps you are using your own recent troubles as a faulty measuring stick toward others? Self-righteousness can come in many forms.
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
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Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
Is there a spirit of dillusion in the house or are people looking the other way?
Well, I don't know...you tell me...is there a spirit of delusion or am I looking the other way? Around here people don't blink an eye if a woman says she's a "soccer mom." Most of the mothers in our church (myself included) regularly take their kids to softball, basketball, football, etc. It's not exactly a strange idea.
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Mrs. Soccer mom would make a great vice-president, but dont' invite the woman to speak. GC could have picked up a few thousand extra seats for a Palin event.
Actually, isn't there some law or regulation on the books regarding churches endorsing candidates in an election? Something about mixing church and state? I think it was tstew...someone mentioned there being a difference between having in a sitting official and someone running for office. Maybe I'm clueless, but I thought I had heard of there being some limitation on churches in regard to political endorsements.
Honestly, sometimes the organization can't win for losing. If they had Sarah Palin in, they would be accused of lowering their "standards" when it's convenient, and if they don't have her speak (or for some reason feel it's impractical), they're self-righteous.
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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