Who's Your Next President?

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Ferd

my pregnant wife informed me that I am making baked chicken battered in FROSTED FLAKES

and NO i am NOT KIDDING

get r done, she wants what she wants, lol,dt

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If a man's heart stops and paramedics are working to bring him back to life, does he suddenly stop being a life form?

Not all life forms have hearts.

We're talking about mammals, not plants Praxeas.


If man's heart stops beating, he is clinically dead. Can one find life in a corpse? I would suppose after it begins to decompose.

Have you not read Lee Stoneking's testimony, how he was dead for 30 minutes?

They resuscitated him back to LIFE, meaning, prior to resuscitation there was no LIFE in him!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

We're talking about mammals, not plants Praxeas.


If man's heart stops beating, he is clinically dead. Can one find life in a corpse? I would suppose after it begins to decompose.

Have you not read Lee Stoneking's testimony, how he was dead for 30 minutes?

They resuscitated him back to LIFE, meaning, prior to resuscitation there was no LIFE in him!

No we are talking about LIFE FORMS and what constitutes life..a living life form. As I pointed out a fetus is a human in one stage of development. He or she does not cease to be a human as an infant, teen or later on in life. They are all just different stages of human development.

If a man's heart stops beating

4. The uniform determination of death. The National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws in 1980 formulated the Uniform Determination of Death Act. It states that: "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards." This definition was approved by the American Medical Association in 1980 and by the American Bar Association in 1981.

Death. When the body is no more than a corpse, is when all bodily functions cease particularly the heart and brain permanently. Otherwise those humans that got his heart to beating again were God.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No we are talking about LIFE FORMS and what constitutes life..a living life form. As I pointed out a fetus is a human in one stage of development. He or she does not cease to be a human as an infant, teen or later on in life. They are all just different stages of human development..

Semen is an ingredient of human development, is that alive? If so, men that please themselves are murderers.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Death. When the body is no more than a corpse, is when all bodily functions cease particularly the heart and brain permanently. Otherwise those humans that got his heart to beating again were God.

Really! When a person is brain dead in the hospital, and is on life support, is he/she dead? NO

When are they considered dead?.....that's right.....when their hearts stops.


By the way, a cow has a heart beat......how do you feel about eating steak?

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No we are talking about LIFE FORMS and what constitutes life..a living life form. As I pointed out a fetus is a human in one stage of development. He or she does not cease to be a human as an infant, teen or later on in life. They are all just different stages of human development.

If a man's heart stops beating

4. The uniform determination of death. The National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws in 1980 formulated the Uniform Determination of Death Act. It states that: "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards." This definition was approved by the American Medical Association in 1980 and by the American Bar Association in 1981.

Death. When the body is no more than a corpse, is when all bodily functions cease particularly the heart and brain permanently. Otherwise those humans that got his heart to beating again were God.

Oh...by the way.......email Bro. Stoneking and tell him he was never dead for 30 minutes. Let me know what he tells you

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Semen is an ingredient of human development, is that alive? If so, men that please themselves are murderers.

That question was already answered twice. First of all semen does not carry genetic code, sperm does. Second sperm alone is NOT a human life in a stage of development. As already stated it takes the chromosomes from a male and female to produce a human life

Really! When a person is brain dead in the hospital, and is on life support, is he/she dead? NO

YES! if the brain is not functioning they are then dead. This is why if someone's heart stops it is imperative to start the heart as soon as possible because the longer you wait the more brain damage is done until the brain stops working....the heart after that can artificially beat all you want but that person is dead.

When are they considered dead?.....that's right.....when their hearts stops.

That's wrong. It's when the brain is no longer functioning.

By the way, a cow has a heart beat......how do you feel about eating steak?

so what if it has a heart beat? what does that prove?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Oh...by the way.......email Bro. Stoneking and tell him he was never dead for 30 minutes. Let me know what he tells you

Again
4. The uniform determination of death. The National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws in 1980 formulated the Uniform Determination of Death Act.

It states that: "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards." This definition was approved by the American Medical Association in 1980 and by the American Bar Association in 1981.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform...n_Of_Death_Act

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Again
4. The uniform determination of death. The National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws in 1980 formulated the Uniform Determination of Death Act.

It states that: "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards." This definition was approved by the American Medical Association in 1980 and by the American Bar Association in 1981.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform...n_Of_Death_Act

Did Stoneking lie in his testimony, was he or was he not dead for 30 minutes?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Did Stoneking lie in his testimony, was he or was he not dead for 30 minutes?

Why are you avoiding my arguments? Either refute them or admit you could be wrong.

As for Stoneking or anyone else, he could be wrong and not be a liar. His heart stopped yes. His brain function did not cease. His heart was NOT permamently impaired. He was NOT dead. He was dying. If you want to say he was dead in the sense that his heart was not beating, that is fine, but realize that what I posted was from the Medical community, not Stoneking. Someone is not officially declared dead until they have exhausted all efforts to revive the heart and failed and brain function ceases.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Biblically speaking God says he formed us in the womb...not in the ovary sack or the testicles.....

Again you miss the point, seeing that you're bound by biological concepts. Spiritually (remember we're Christians not doctors or scientists) all things originate with the creator, not the creation. While biology can tell us when something is living "materially", the life itself, the intangible and eternal soul of a man begins in the hands of God (an anthropomorphism of course) and is embodied in the natural when sperm and egg meet. The meeting of sperm and egg do not create the intangible and eternal soul of a man...that originates with God on the spiritual plane. Life technically begins and originates in the spiritual. Carnal minds always focus on the natural, science, biology, evolution, etc. But creation, life, and existence begins in God. Biology knows no God or supernatural origin, soul, or intangibles. Therefore I believe it's foolish to merely define "life" biologically like a heathen atheist would.

So I propose that life doesn't begin at conception...unless that "conception" is the "conceptualization" in the eternal mind of God before biological conception and meets the biological conception at the point when sperm and egg meet.

Man is more than a physical biological thing. Man is body, soul, and spirit.

And please note, God's formation of man in the womb isn't instantaneous...it's a nine month process.