Missouri Molestation Case

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Bishop1

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

"A PERVERT IS A PERVERT "

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

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" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

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" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"
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Bishop1

Yep that is the way I see it.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think the man should be encouraged to turn himself in and if he doesn't, the pastor should do it. I think repentance demands it.

When a minor child's safety hangs in the balance, there is no time to allow for the abuser to make up his mind about whether or not he wants to turn himself in. The first concern should be the safety of the victim. Repentance and other concerns for the abuser can be addressed after that. ...let's say a man is abusing his stepdaughter (as someone hypothesized above)...would a pastor counsel him to consider turning himself in and then allow him to go back home to his stepdaughter?

I only agree if by "encouraged to turn himself in", you mean something along the lines of, "Call the authorities and turn yourself in, right here in my presence, right now, or I will do it myself."

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Bishop1

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

"A PERVERT IS A PERVERT "

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"

" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"
" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"
" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"
" A PREVERT IS A PERVERT"



Bishop1

Bishop- I have a hard time wrapping my mind around it but the blood of Jesus covers sin. (However, there are consequences that remain. The forgiven thief still died on his cross).

[Theresa]

prevert?


now you know

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by Theresa

prevert?


now you know

What's a PREvert?

[Margies3]

There is a family we've known for many years. There were 4 children: 1 boy from her first marriage, then a boy from the current marriage and then twins (boy and girl) from the same marriage.

When the twins turned 2, the mom decided to leave. She told others that she just didn't want to be a mom anymore. She left all the kids with the husband. But she told my mom that she suspected that he was sexually abusing the daughter. My mom pushed her to call the authorities, but she backed down and said, 'well, maybe he's really not. no........ I don't think he is after all'. So Mom thought that she was just making excuses for herself for leaving and she didn't call either. She thought that the woman had lied about him abusing the daughter.

So fast forward now about 20+ years. This daughter gets married. And then she begins to tell her new husband how her father had sexually abused her from the time she was a baby until she was about 13 or 14 years old. The husband pushes her to turn him in, which she does. In the meantime, the man had gotten saved and was living for the Lord. BUT he had never confessed to anyone what he had done to his daughter. Does that mean that his repentance wasn't real??? I don't know.

But when his daughter goes to the authorities, he freely admits what he had done and pled guilty. He is now serving about a 20 year sentence in prison for his crime.

The moral of this story, to me, is this: if someone comes to you (like this mother did) and even has suspicion, make the call to the authorities. My mom kicks herself all the time because if she had called (even tho the mother refused to), perhaps she could have saved that little girl years and years of abuse.

[HADDOCK]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

When a minor child's safety hangs in the balance, there is no time to allow for the abuser to make up his mind about whether or not he wants to turn himself in. The first concern should be the safety of the victim. Repentance and other concerns for the abuser can be addressed after that. ...let's say a man is abusing his stepdaughter (as someone hypothesized above)...would a pastor counsel him to consider turning himself in and then allow him to go back home to his stepdaughter?

I only agree if by "encouraged to turn himself in", you mean something along the lines of, "Call the authorities and turn yourself in, right here in my presence, right now, or I will do it myself."

That was not a hypothesis, but a factual, true case. I knew the preacher, the family and because of my employment knew the inside facts of the criminal proceedings. It was also very disturbing because the mother of the child knew as well as the pastor's wife and some other family members who were also members of the same church. It was never reported by the pastor and some outside apparently had suspicion that something was going on even a few years later when the agencies were notified. It was THEN that the incident came to light. One of the agencies involved wanted to bring charges against the mother and the pastor for not reporting but that wasn't done.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by HADDOCK

That was not a hypothesis, but a factual, true case.

Oh, sorry. Well, it seemed like that, since you said, "Suppose a UPC pastor ...."

[ILG]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

When a minor child's safety hangs in the balance, there is no time to allow for the abuser to make up his mind about whether or not he wants to turn himself in. The first concern should be the safety of the victim. Repentance and other concerns for the abuser can be addressed after that. ...let's say a man is abusing his stepdaughter (as someone hypothesized above)...would a pastor counsel him to consider turning himself in and then allow him to go back home to his stepdaughter?

I only agree if by "encouraged to turn himself in", you mean something along the lines of, "Call the authorities and turn yourself in, right here in my presence, right now, or I will do it myself."

This is what I mean.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by ILG

This is what I mean.

Oh Good. Now we have nothing to argue about. You could've strung me along a bit. Made it fun.