UPCI's Randy Hollis Throws Down the Gauntlet: The Emancipation of Isaac

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Well, I can watch Food Network on 52 here in Houston, and watch clips on their site. I can watch Military Channel on 58, or watch clips on their site. I can go on YouTube and get some good clean laughs, and some really good shouting, even seeing a familiar piano player tearing it up online.

I am not going to ........ a soul over technology. I am going to live with the principles I read in scripture, and will do so as a light. I will not foce my convictions on anyone else, and I think it is wrong for people to try to make clones of themselves. We should be individual memebers of the corporate body. Differences and all.

Love you all.

This sounds like one of those connect the dots pictures where when you get finished it ends up looking like someone trying to draw big stars while on LSD.

Prince, I hope your meeting with D.A. didn't flip you onto your back...

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Different technology isn't the issue. The issue is applying the same principle to internet as one does to television. Larry Booker gave a glaring endorsement for banning internet when he mentioned at a conference a polkice officer in his church arrested over 40 people in one day in an internet sting. What Booker does is have a series of seminars about how to deal with the internet. Yet rumors has it he wants to leave over television. It is obvious he doesn't apply the same principle.

Waaaay too many variables here and as usual, they are all getting painted one color. MAYBE when I have more time.

[tv1a]

Variables are just another way of making excuses for accepting a behavior.

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Waaaay too many variables here and as usual, they are all getting painted one color. MAYBE when I have more time.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Variables are just another way of making excuses for accepting a behavior.

Dude, take that chip off of your shoulder and breath some clean air. Review beginning algebra to brush up on the definition of a variable.

This post is so irrational I am wondering if this conversation has a chance to make any points.

I am not making any excuses for anything and I welcome the opportunity to discuss these variables separately without just resorting to innuendo and canned responses.

Good grief

Originally Posted by Hawkman

I believe I know exactly what that means! Truth be known, it's not very funny at all.


BTW, it seems to me that one man's heresy can easily be another man's revelation.

Only in theory, Hawkman, never in reality!

Originally Posted by tv1a

No one wants that because it is still taboo to discuss legalism. Anyone who does always have an agenda.

That is because you are the posterchild!

You are the Legadar Detector... your warning light goes off at the slightest consecration and really screams when men stand for their view of truth!

You have espied legalism in everything from a box of cheerios to the corner convenience store to any one who disagrees with you. You are fun to watch because you are so predictable and often say such ridiculous things!

Thanks for the entertainment as you beat the air and shadow box thinking there is really an opponent in front of you!

[tv1a]

James 1:17 says there is no variableness in Christ. The NLT says He never changes or casts shifting shadows.

The same author who wrote about variableness also wrote about double-minded people. Forget algebra how about 2+2?

How irrational is a post that cites more scriptures in one post than you have in five? How irrational is it when the one admits they use a different standard for internet than for television? How irrational is it whan a preacher who is rumored to be leaving an organization over television stands up in a conference (which you can find the sermon on the web) and spends about TWO MINUTES talking about how a police office in his church arrested over 40 sexual predators in one day, just by sitting in front of a computer? Not one suggestion that internet should be banned. But man the torpedos if someone wants to use television for advertising.

The pharisees used the same tactic when they brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus. Where was the man? What variables did the pharisees use to keep the man's identity secret?

The goal in algebra is to make both sides equal. If you want to equate your television/internet stance to algebra, the does not equal side looms large on your position.

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Dude, take that chip off of your shoulder and breath some clean air. Review beginning algebra to brush up on the definition of a variable.

This post is so irrational I am wondering if this conversation has a chance to make any points.

I am not making any excuses for anything and I welcome the opportunity to discuss these variables separately without just resorting to innuendo and canned responses.

Good grief

[tv1a]

Do you need change back for you two cents worth? lol

I understand principles are difficult for legalists because they have to have their hands held and someone tell them what to do. The goal of legalism is to have a spiritual aryan race. Everyone looking the same, acting the same, spouting the same rhetoric.


If you read the entire thread in context, you would realize I don't have issues with conservative views. Legalism, yes, conservatism no.

btw, I caught the homosexual inference in your post.

Originally Posted by philjones

That is because you are the posterchild!

You are the Legadar Detector... your warning light goes off at the slightest consecration and really screams when men stand for their view of truth!

You have espied legalism in everything from a box of cheerios to the corner convenience store to any one who disagrees with you. You are fun to watch because you are so predictable and often say such ridiculous things!

Thanks for the entertainment as you beat the air and shadow box thinking there is really an opponent in front of you!

Originally Posted by tv1a

Do you need change back for you two cents worth? lol

I understand principles are difficult for legalists because they have to have their hands held and someone tell them what to do. The goal of legalism is to have a spiritual aryan race. Everyone looking the same, acting the same, spouting the same rhetoric.


If you read the entire thread in context, you would realize I don't have issues with conservative views. Legalism, yes, conservatism no.

btw, I caught the homosexual inference in your post.

Dear Lord Jesus, forgive me, for I DO NOT know what TV1A is talking about!

TV1A, I have VERY close relatives who are homosexual and loved by me and my family. I DO NOT make jokes about homosexuals nor imply that anyone is. You need to get your sensor checked!

[pastorj]

There are two kinds of legalists, I think.

There are those who force everyone to meet with their convictions and set that as the bottom line for salvation, else to hell you're gonna go! My way or the highway!! This legalist raises the bar until it becomes impossible to be saved. Those on this extreme are usually those who are too lazy to study and therefore just arbitrarily set lines that have NO BIBLICAL basis. One disclaimer though... there are standards of holiness for which there is no 'black & white' scripture, they are simply done out of faith, love for God and obedience to principles (a favorite term here on AFF, I find).

Then there are those who try to find out how much they can do and still be saved (i.e. - women cutting their hair, wearing pants, rings, sleeve length, tv, internet, social drinking, etc.) and try to drag others down to that level. This legalist has lowered the bar so far that it is impossible to be saved. I often find it is those who are 'bitter' with men, and form an opinion that justifies them in their 'newfound liberty' rather than finding a church that has a good spirit, that become those on the second extreme.

Both are legalists because 'they' are setting the baseline for salvation. BOTH are in danger of being lost because they are trying to become a God to themselves by making their line THE LINE!

The good news is that there are a lot of churches and pastors who fall into the middle ground. (Yes, there are!) And there will be much required at judgment for those on either end of this scale.

A final word here... ALL SCRIPTURE is RELEVANT (yes, even OT Scripture)! So if we're going to preach only what's in the Bible, let's preach everything that's in the Bible!
A case in point... If it ever was an abomination to God, since he doesn't change, wouldn't that mean it still was an abomination? Unless, of course, you believe He changes...

God Bless