Social drinking?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Sean

Bro. a spade is a BUZZ from alcohol, it just takes one or two glasses for a light drinker to get "tipsy". You guys are insisting on our savior being "tipsy" from time to time. If drunkenness is a sin, the drinks leading up to it are "creating" the sin. So you guys are saying in essence, Jesus was a sinner...

Some people (me included) don't believe in adding to scripture. If scripture isn't clear or is silent, you can't go ahead and connect the dots anyway and call it doctrine.

Jesus wasn't a sinner, so that means if He did have a glass of wine with His dinner then it simply wasn't a sin. There's no way to "make" our Savior a sinner by examining history. We don't really know either way, so you can't legitimately swing the debate one way or the other.

Scripture says not to be drunk with wine "wherein is excess." The same principle applies to gluttony, but we wouldn't say that eating is wrong; we only point to over-eating as being wrong. If your logic held true, then food would also be sinful since it "creates the sin" of gluttony. "If gluttony is a sin, then the food leading up to it is 'creating' the sin."

[KeptByTheWord]

I find it hard to imagine Timothy being a little buzzed too, after reading Paul's admonition to him. I find it hard to understand why Paul would admonish the Corinthians to only be drunk at home, but not do it at church. I find it hard to imagine that Jesus was considered a wine bibber, eating and drinking with rank sinners and publicans... yet I know that the culture of their day was much different from ours today.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Some people (me included) don't believe in adding to scripture. If scripture isn't clear or is silent, you can't go ahead and connect the dots anyway and call it doctrine.

Jesus wasn't a sinner, so that means if He did have a glass of wine with His dinner then it simply wasn't a sin. There's no way to "make" our Savior a sinner by examining history. We don't really know either way, so you can't legitimately swing the debate one way or the other.

Scripture says not to be drunk with wine "wherein is excess." The same principle applies to gluttony, but we wouldn't say that eating is wrong; we only point to over-eating as being wrong. If your logic held true, then food would also be sinful since it "creates the sin" of gluttony. "If gluttony is a sin, then the food leading up to it is 'creating' the sin."

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yea or Nay?

Of course y'all know how I would feel. Do you find it acceptable?

No Bro. Epley, I do not find it acceptable. If a so call Christian drinks, what does it say to a lost world. Shouldn't we rise above that?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Some people (me included) don't believe in adding to scripture. If scripture isn't clear or is silent, you can't go ahead and connect the dots anyway and call it doctrine.

Jesus wasn't a sinner, so that means if He did have a glass of wine with His dinner then it simply wasn't a sin. There's no way to "make" our Savior a sinner by examining history. We don't really know either way, so you can't legitimately swing the debate one way or the other.

Scripture says not to be drunk with wine "wherein is excess." The same principle applies to gluttony, but we wouldn't say that eating is wrong; we only point to over-eating as being wrong. If your logic held true, then food would also be sinful since it "creates the sin" of gluttony. "If gluttony is a sin, then the food leading up to it is 'creating' the sin."

You did not finish the passage you began to quote, let me do it for you...

Ephesians 5:18



And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;



Paul is giving us the ALTERNATIVE to wine here,,,BUT(or rather), to be FILLED with the Spirit...Otherwise known as "THE NEW WINE"


When we get the New wine, we dont need to drink the old wine anymore...

[houston]

Originally Posted by Sean

You did not finish the passage you began to quote, let me do it for you... Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Paul is giving us the ALTERNATIVE to wine here,,,BUT(or rather), to be FILLED with the Spirit...Otherwise known as "THE NEW WINE" When we get the New wine, we dont need to drink the old wine anymore...

Do you read your own interpretation into everything?

He didn't say not to drink. He said not to be drunk.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by houston

Do you read your own interpretation into everything?

He didn't say not to drink. He said not to be drunk.

The word you are voluntarily not seeing is ..."but"




Ephesians 5:18



And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;



Paul is giving us the ALTERNATIVE to wine here,,,BUT(or rather), to be FILLED with the Spirit...Otherwise known as "THE NEW WINE"


When we get the New wine, we dont need to drink the old wine anymore...

[shag]

"Drunk"
Instead of being drunk w wine, be filled with the Spirit.
Couldn't be any clearer.




New International Version
Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,

New Living Translation
Don't be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit,

English Standard Version
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

King James Bible
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And don't get drunk with wine, which leads to reckless actions, but be filled by the Spirit:

International Standard Version
Stop getting drunk with wine, which leads to wild living, but keep on being filled with the Spirit.

NET Bible
And do not get drunk with wine, which is debauchery, but be filled by the Spirit,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Neither be drunk with wine in which is debauchery, but be filled with The Spirit.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't get drunk on wine, which leads to wild living. Instead, be filled with the Spirit?your[ spirit.">]

Jubilee Bible 2000
And be not drunk with wine, in which there is excess, but be filled with the Spirit,

King James 2000 Bible
And be not drunk with wine, in which is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

American King James Version
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

American Standard Version
And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit;

Douay-Rheims Bible
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is luxury; but be ye filled with the holy Spirit,

Darby Bible Translation
And be not drunk with wine, in which is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit,

English Revised Version
And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit;

Webster's Bible Translation
And be not drunk with wine, in which is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Weymouth New Testament
Do not over-indulge in wine--a thing in which excess is so easy--

World English Bible
Don't be drunken with wine, in which is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

Young's Literal Translation
and be not drunk with wine, in which is dissoluteness, but be filled in the Spirit,

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

You did not finish the passage you began to quote, let me do it for you...

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Paul is giving us the ALTERNATIVE to wine here,,,BUT(or rather), to be FILLED with the Spirit...Otherwise known as "THE NEW WINE"

When we get the New wine, we dont need to drink the old wine anymore...

If your idea was correct then Paul would have simply said
And be not drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit;
instead of
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

a better way would have been for him to say
And drink no wine, but be filled with the Spirit;
instead of
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

The wording of Paul does not support your view at all.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by shag

"Drunk"
Instead of being drunk w wine, be filled with the Spirit.
Couldn't be any clearer.

why are you quoting all these versions, I thought you were KJV Only?
or perhaps you are KJV Only, Only when it is convenient?