The Real Delegate Count - it's not over

[CC1]

Any person who has children or grandchildren and refuses to vote against Obama in this election ought to be ashamed. I don't say this out of spite or harshness but with sadness.

The idea that things have to get worse before they get better does not work in this case since the damage that will be done has implications for many decades to come in judicial appointments alone and a lot of other areas.

The further you go along the path of socialism the harder it is to vary from that path. Just look at Greece right now. We are at a tipping point in this country of those taking from the government out numbering those who pay for the government.

If the radical conservatives like the Tea Party hard heads think drawing this hard line in the sand and not voting for Romney is going to get them any closer to electing a real conservative they are dead wrong.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by CC1

Any person who has children or grandchildren and refuses to vote against Obama in this election ought to be ashamed. I don't say this out of spite or harshness but with sadness.

The idea that things have to get worse before they get better does not work in this case since the damage that will be done has implications for many decades to come in judicial appointments alone and a lot of other areas.

The further you go along the path of socialism the harder it is to vary from that path. Just look at Greece right now. We are at a tipping point in this country of those taking from the government out numbering those who pay for the government.

If the radical conservatives like the Tea Party hard heads think drawing this hard line in the sand and not voting for Romney is going to get them any closer to electing a real conservative they are dead wrong.

[aegsm76]

AYR - I did not know you were in the healthcare industry!
I am on my 26th year in that field.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by CC1

For anyone to say that there is not a clear choice in this election is absurd. As I said before Romney at his worst is so much better than Obama at his best.

Your list is a good one but did not mention what I consider the most important aspect, one that I brought up in an earlier post, - judicial appointments.

These childish acting people who are just going to take their ball and go home rather than play because they didn't get their way may insure extremely left wing federal judges and Supreme Court justices are appointed and those appointments are for life! With two Supreme Court justices in their 80's not voting for Romney because he is not conservative enough is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

What they say and what they actually do once in office are horses of two different colors. This is why I consider that list all political rhetoric.

You must have forgotten that it was conservative Republican Presidents that appointed conservative Supreme Court judges... that ruled abortion to be legal in the first place.

There are 9 Justices. Seven of them ruled for the legalization of abortion--2 dissented. One dissent was democrat nominated/appointed and one dissent was republican nominated/appointed. William O Douglas was the only other democratic appointed justice. The rest were all republican appointees. That makes the total of 6 Republican appointees and 1 democrat appointee ruling the fate of over 50,000,000,000 unborn children. Considering this piece of evidence/history, does it make a difference? Can we be assured that by appointing a conservative republican justice to the Supreme Court, they will actually rule conservatively and morally? To use the argument of a liberal choosing the nominee of new supreme court justices is ...just fear mongering...a strawman argument.

And what makes you think that some who oppose both candidates will not vote for someone? I will exercise my right to vote and I will not be swayed by people who use condescending verbal tactics. This is not Iraq. If you remember the Iraqi people had only two votes. A yes or a no vote for Saddam. They either voted for or against him. This is how I see people pushing candidates in this election. They are voting for a candidate to vote against a candidate. What has happened to the integrity of the American election process?


You ignored my question about Justice John Roberts. Can you please give me an answer?

As for my opinion about how other people vote, I keep to myself what I think about people who vote for the lesser of two evils.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by CC1

Any person who has children or grandchildren and refuses to vote against Obama in this election ought to be ashamed. I don't say this out of spite or harshness but with sadness.

And it could be argued that anybody who votes for a candidate to vote against a candidate is completely missing what the true election process really is and should be ashamed. This is what you are teaching them when it comes to voting.

Don't worry about values and your own conviction. Don't worry about asking God in prayer if this is how He would want you to vote. Just determine in yourself who the lesser of two evils are and ...vote em in!

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

AYR - I did not know you were in the healthcare industry!
I am on my 26th year in that field.

Well, I am retired now. But...I have physician sources who tell me about the changes they are seeing. I was in clinical positions, but I also worked in a variety of other positions, including knowledge of how insurance companies decide what they will pay and how much.

Government interference started during the Reagan Administration with the DRGs in the attempt to contain healthcare costs. I remember the hospital I worked at had to hire people just to manage this paperwork and assessments.

Since then healthcare costs have risen so dramatically because of government mandates the physician must order for the patient yearly or more than yearly. Certain blood tests. Certain radiological examinations. Prescribing certain medications. etc.

Check it out if anybody will discuss it with you.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Well, I am retired now. But...I have physician sources who tell me about the changes they are seeing. I was in clinical positions, but I also worked in a variety of other positions, including knowledge of how insurance companies decide what they will pay and how much.

Government interference started during the Reagan Administration with the DRGs in the attempt to contain healthcare costs. I remember the hospital I worked at had to hire people just to manage this paperwork and assessments.

Since then healthcare costs have risen so dramatically because of government mandates the physician must order for the patient yearly or more than yearly. Certain blood tests. Certain radiological examinations. Prescribing certain medications. etc.

Check it out if anybody will discuss it with you.

I know it only too well.
The government getting healthcare was the beginning of the end of a lot of things in this company.
I wish some of these politicians would look at the German model for healthcare.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I know it only too well.
The government getting healthcare was the beginning of the end of a lot of things in this company.
I wish some of these politicians would look at the German model for healthcare.

Doesn't it make you wonder why they took such a wonderfully adequate institution and made it an (not for profit-but indeed a profitable) industry?

[CC1]

NotQuiteReady,

I did not realize you had asked me a question about Justice John Roberts. Can you repeat it and I will answer.

[Dedicated Mind]

ron paul wins 21 of 25 delegates from iowa! what's going on po?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ected-in-iowa/