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Old 04-02-2014, 06:36 AM
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:52 AM
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Re: Rare Sister Charlotte Testimony - tortured nun

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I’m very sorry I haven’t been around as I have been extremely busy and still am, however I thank you all for your input.

Evidently Charlotte did have scars on her back as so many ladies have testified to it so they can’t possible have made it up, nonetheless it doesn’t and can’t prove that she got those scars in a convent.

As has been suggested there could have been an overlap in census records i.e. at home and in the convent but that evidence does not appear to be available, if someone can find it, it would prove her case true. On the lack of other evidence that could support her case we will have to examine and analyse her story carefully for possible incoherences. Can someone please give me the link to Charlotte’s story which you consider the authentic version and I will go through it in small doses and post here accordingly.

What is truly amazing about this story is that the Church she served for so many years haven’t come forward in all these years to provide the evidence to back up this story. This is a very big “WHY”?

Charlotte wasn't afraid in life to travel around for 14 years telling her story and her written story wasn't to be published until after her death so why wasn't that evidence supplied in her published account?

The following is a small example of so many contradictions in Charlotte’s story

“After the vows were signed all of my personal identification was destroyed”.

All of a sudden she had a legal passport to travel abroad, how can we explain that?

“The next step was my initiation and for this I had to go to my convent. They had my passport all signed and tickets ready to ship me out to a foreign country”.


If she has kin who are willing to come forward and speak out, that would be great and presumable they will be able to contribute factual evidence of her case. If real evidence could be supplied I would rest my case immediately, I only look for an honest investigation of this story as I stated earlier.

That Charlotte’s case is proved true or false does not and could not constitute evidence that every other case of torture we have been told about in the Catholic Church or any other Church for that matter is true or false. As in everything in life each and every case must be examined on its own and can only be believed on the weight of the evidence it provides. Unfortunately, we flawed human beings get carried away very quickly with sensationalism.

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Yes, she travel very carefully for "fourteen years", she was very cautious as to who she saw and where she went.

An opposing question would be, if her story was false, why did the RCC not file suit for slander???? With it resources you would think that it could shut her down, and where you believe it or not it tried.

Again, you are looking at this case thru the eyes of a very different era. And you are nitpicking. Her identification was taken from her, the RCC had the experience and the resources to provide what ever was necessary for her travel. At the personal level she was de-personalized, she had no voice, no say in where she went or what she had to do.

She was a very strong and smart women, if you talked to her personally, your questions would have been answered. She had a very cruel experience at the hands of the RCC, and she chose to tell that story. You didn't meet her, nor hear her personally, I did, and I believed her and her story. I tried to listen to the tapes later, without her person involved, I could not listen to them.

You have every right to argue against her story, and no one really can answer all your questions, but I believe you are terribly wrong.

She was not flawless, she had been completely broken, twice, but some how she rose out of the ashes to testify against a wicked and cruel human institution. The known history of the RCC has proven over and over that men are terribly flawed. Is every member or leader in the RCC this evil, of course not, I know many folks that are RCC that I respect, but I have no respect for the institutional machine.
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The known history of the RCC has proven over and over that men are terribly flawed. Is every member or leader in the RCC this evil, of course not, I know many folks that are RCC that I respect, but I have no respect for the institutional machine.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:22 AM
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Old 04-07-2014, 06:55 PM
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Re: Rare Sister Charlotte Testimony - tortured nun

You say I’m nitpicking from Charlotte’s story, well here are some more examples of serious inconsistencies.

Charlotte states that she had a brother a catholic priest and his name was Chet and lived on the west coast. After been made a priest he was supposed to have lived with his housekeeper for seven years, after that he left the R. church and married her. It appears that priests in the RC have to study at least seven years after high school before they can be ordained, so he would have to be about 25 when made a priest and at least 32 when he married, yet Charlotte’s four brothers were all married before they were 26 years of age. Her youngest brother Chester is the only brother who lived, married and died on the west coast, he moved there after 1935, the other three brothers all lived and died in Kansas. On Chester’s 1940 census record it states he was a labourer, married, high school 4th year and lived in Los Angeles, Ca. He was 26 when he married in 1936 in Los Angeles. As she says her priest brother was Chet, we can only presume she was referring to Chester. This data obviously doesn’t square up!

She also declared that when she returned from the convent all her siblings had been to college except herself, however the census tells us otherwise. The three older brothers had only done grade school on the 1940 census and were all labourers or farm hands. Both Chester and Charlotte did up to 4th year high school.

According to Charlotte, the doctor her father called in to see her after her first escape from the convent was the same Dr. who brought her into the world and he was also her godfather and he could only recognized her by her birth mark. At the same time giving to understand that her parents were living in the same town where she was born only in a different house, yet they had changed town three times since Charlotte was born?

She states her father was a very wealthy man yet he doesn´t appear to have owned his own house on census records and was also a farm hand?

Her mother was senile and totally paralysed and didn't recognize Charlotte when she returned home yet she was able to give orders to her lawyer to leave money to Charlotte when she learned that her father had disinherited her?

She declares, after her Uncle John died, she went on to nurse for three years in a roman catholic hospital, of all places! Was she not afraid that they would ship her back to the convent again given her last experience? I have no doubt I would have run a million miles from anything catholic if I had been through that hell!

I also compared Charlotte’s garb on her on-line picture as a carmelite nun with an online catholic carmelite nun’s picture of the same time period as Charlottes’ and there are very marked differences!

Should I go on?

The Pentecostal church in Napa, Ca. should have been privy to all the background information for Charlotte when she started her ministry in that Church, can they not provide it? I’m sure they would never have allowed anyone to take up a ministry in their church rashly.

I personally could not possible accept and believe a story such as Charlottes without some supporting evidence, it would be very dishonest of me to do so! Gone are the days when people took everything their Pastor said for granted!

When I first heard one of her tapes, I was convinced her story was true like everyone else, I have to admit the emotional impact is huge! I was so upset and horrified that I wanted to see if these guys had been brought to justice. Finding nothing to that effect is what got me reading her on-line accounts and that is when so many fallacies started to emerge in her story.

If this story is true its implications both for the RC church and our Christina Churches more especially for the Pentecostal Church that Charlotte belonged to, are absolutely horrific to say the least. To think that nobody did absolutely nothing to bring civil and criminal charges against the rc church and to rescue the remaining nuns in that hell hole is totally unbelievable and unacceptable as Christians!
Why did nobody do anything? I mean this story is in circulation since 1945 nearly 70 years! In the last two decades, the rc church has undergone huge court cases for abuse etc. of which everyone is aware, why wasn't this case presented?

I have only come across one person on the net who considered taking up Charlotte’s case seriously, a journalist from Alberta, Canada. He/she unfortunately made contact with a Pastor Reckart for backup evidence as his father was supposed to have known Charlotte personally. Wow! what a guy this Pastor must be, instead of providing the evidence required graciously he does nothing but berate and insult the poor guy in a dreadful manner, in my opinion, disgusting and totally unacceptable. You can read the whole exchange on this link.

http://members.shaw.ca/alyzza/Phelps/reckart.html

What Pastor Keckart proved with this behaviour is that he is not worthy of any credibility whatsoever and calls into question even more so Charlotte’s account! How sad!

To the best of my knowledge I don’t think the fact that the rc church didn’t take a libel case against Charlotte would constitute proof either ways and very unlikely would stand in a court of law.

As I appear to be upsetting people on this site who sincerely believe Charlotte’s story, I will refrain from further posting, hoping and praying that some day it may all be clarified.

Thank you for allowing me to post my serious concerns on your site and take my leave in fraternal charity.
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:31 PM
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Re: Rare Sister Charlotte Testimony - tortured nun

Jacko, what picture of Charlotte did you see with her and nun's garb on? Please provide link if you can. Thanks.
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Re: Rare Sister Charlotte Testimony - tortured nun

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Re: Rare Sister Charlotte Testimony - tortured nun

The first link is for Charlotte's picture as a nun

http://youtu.be/pqBJ6iN4lUM

This second one is for Carmelite nuns garbe
http://www.carmelnuns.com/Pages/Carm...intsPage2.html

Sister Alvear,
Thank you for your offer of a contact number, is it for the States? because I don't live there. An email address would be much handier but how can you pass it on to me?
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I will get you an e mail address..
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