Not Saved?

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Sam

Right.
The 120 who received the Holy Ghost Baptism on the Day of Pentecost as recorded in Acts 2:1-4 did not receive their salvation experience that day. They had already been believers for some time. Some had been disciples for 3 years and others for less. They (the 120) were part of the 500 member "Church/Assembly/Group) that had personally seen and believed in the resurrected Christ (ref 1 Cor 15:6) some 50 days before Pentecost. The experience they received that day was an enduement of power (Acts 1:4-8) or a clothing with power (Luke 24:49).

In the early church in the case of the Samaritans (Acts 8), the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8), Saul (Acts 9), Cornelius (Acts 10) and the Baptist believers in Acts 19 were all saved before they were baptized in water and in the Holy Spirit.

When the Holy Spirit fell upon people in the late 1800's in various areas and then in the early 1900's in Kansas, Texas, California, and on into the whole world, the folks who received their Baptism in the Spirit or their personal Pentecost were already saved before the Spirit came upon them with power and with tongues. Even when the UPC was formed in 1945 it was not the belief of that organization that the Holy Ghost Baptism with tongues was the new birth or getting saved. Yes, some believed that way but most of the persons in leadership did not. The first General Superintendent (Howard Goss); the first Sunday School Superintendent (E.E. McNatt); the first Foreign Missions Director (Wynn Stairs) and some of the others on the General Board such as C.H. Yadon and W.M. Greer all believed that salvation or the new birth happened prior to water and Spirit baptism. The idea that Acts 2:38 is the same as the new birth is an idea that came into popularity later in the UPC.

It's just as Pelathais said as quoted above. The idea that speaking with tongues is the same as getting saved is not taught in the Bible; is not taught during the history of the Church; and was not part of the Apostolic message until recently. It is NOT old time Apostolic/Pentecostal teaching.

I haven't read the whole thread, but this was quote really stuck out to me. Good one Sam.