We would sing both anthems at the school I worked at in NYC .... for 9 years...
"Lift Every Voice and sing ... till earth and heaven and ring..."
95% African-American ....
mostly kids w/ West Indian heritage.
Does this make the national anthem the white national anthem? What if there was a white national anthem? What a disunited nation we are that we have to have national anthem for every race
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Very good point. The irony was probably overwhelming, and hard to swallow. Kind of like Christians who talk a good game, but don't live up to their own ideals. Also, to add to the confusion, the Bible doesn't really take a stand against slavery, although it does condemn racism and slavery on principle. Which is why you will find recordings of "good" slave owners and masters in history and in the Bible.
This is probably the case, but I think it can arise from a mistaken concept that the black people fought for freedom against America as a whole, when in fact that is not the case. And the ideals our country stands for are applicable to everyone, therefore they should be embraced by all, and when those ideals aren't met, they can be used as a tool to achieve liberty, through tacit reminders to those who are in the position to bring about lasting and meaningful change.
The symbols of our country are symbols of freedom, not symbols of the "white man." It irritates me to see them minimized as such.
As for Ms. Rene--her intentions may have been good, but even if they were, she defeated her purpose, because some things you shouldn't mess with. To me, it would be the same as spray painting "black pride" across the American flag. Objecting to the graffiti is not the same as objecting to "black pride."
Okay, maybe that's apples and oranges. LOL!!! The Black National Anthem is actually a beautiful song, and can't be equated with graffiti.
Hum. The problem is...sometimes as a (sort of ) white woman I feel bullied into not expressing offense against what I perceive as racism and an old fashioned Superiority Complex because any objection seems to be perceived as innate racism on my part. Does that make sense?
And to address what Daniel asked earlier--I don't object because it's a black hymn, or whatever it was he implied. I object because she sang a song other than the one she was asked to sing (lack of etiquette), and used her platform for a political statement rather than graciousness, and respecting the honor paid to her with the invitation to sing the National Anthem for such an event in the first place.
It is an honor to be asked, IMO.
I do really enjoy the discussions on here and believe that they are very beneficial (sometimes ). I understand what everybody is saying, but I really don't think that this was an issue of racism on her part or even that she was trying to make a political statement. It seems that she is an artist who was trying to make an artistic statement. Once again it was probably ill-advised, but I believe that what made it even possible is a slight, maybe subconscious difference in how people view some of our historical symbols.
For many people any "tampering" with the sacred songs and writings is unimaginable, so if they were to ever do that they would be doing that only to disrespect it and send a clear message. But to someone else those particular writings may not be held in quite the same way, so it is possible that their motives for any embellishing would not be so cut and dried.
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I do really enjoy the discussions on here and believe that they are very beneficial (sometimes ). I understand what everybody is saying, but I really don't think that this was an issue of racism on her part or even that she was trying to make a political statement. It seems that she is an artist who was trying to make an artistic statement. Once again it was probably ill-advised, but I believe that what made it even possible is a slight, maybe subconscious difference in how people view some of our historical symbols.
For many people any "tampering" with the sacred songs and writings is unimaginable, so if they were to ever do that they would be doing that only to disrespect it and send a clear message. But to someone else those particular writings may not be held in quite the same way, so it is possible that their motives for any embellishing would not be so cut and dried.
I see what you're saying, and you're probably right. The fact that she didn't advertise her intentions to anyone who mattered, though, makes me think she knew it wouldn't be met with glowing approval.
Actually, it probably wasn't meant nearly as disrespectfully (if it all) as it seems to me, but then...I am one of those people who considers it "unimaginable." Artistic license would be changing a note or two, or adding a riff on the guitar, and that's about the extent of it. (IMO)
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I do really enjoy the discussions on here and believe that they are very beneficial (sometimes ). I understand what everybody is saying, but I really don't think that this was an issue of racism on her part or even that she was trying to make a political statement. It seems that she is an artist who was trying to make an artistic statement. Once again it was probably ill-advised, but I believe that what made it even possible is a slight, maybe subconscious difference in how people view some of our historical symbols.
For many people any "tampering" with the sacred songs and writings is unimaginable, so if they were to ever do that they would be doing that only to disrespect it and send a clear message. But to someone else those particular writings may not be held in quite the same way, so it is possible that their motives for any embellishing would not be so cut and dried.
I will admit that I'm somewhat of a purist. I caught some flak when I criticized Micki Mangun of butchering the ending to "Star Spangled Banner" by trying to put a soulful ending to it!
I don't mind singing the national anthem in a modern genre, but don't mess with the melody or words!
I remember St.Mark's choir singing the national anthem and it looked like the church was about to explode in revival! I thought it was funny that they were raising their hands as if they were singing an anointed church song. Maybe the "Star Spangled Banner" is kind of sacred after all!
I will admit that I'm somewhat of a purist. I caught some flak when I criticized Micki Mangun of butchering the ending to "Star Spangled Banner" by trying to put a soulful ending to it!
I don't mind singing the national anthem in a modern genre, but don't mess with the melody or words!
I remember St.Mark's choir singing the national anthem and it looked like the church was about to explode in revival! I thought it was funny that they were raising their hands as if they were singing an anointed church song. Maybe the "Star Spangled Banner" is kind of sacred after all!
No it's just StMark and the B-3... They can get you to shout to anything
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I see what you're saying, and you're probably right. The fact that she didn't advertise her intentions to anyone who mattered, though, makes me think she knew it wouldn't be met with glowing approval.
Actually, it probably wasn't meant nearly as disrespectfully (if it all) as it seems to me, but then...I am one of those people who considers it "unimaginable." Artistic license would be changing a note or two, or adding a riff on the guitar, and that's about the extent of it. (IMO)
That's probably true. I guess I kind of understand the whole artistic mindset as well. Kind of like one of the people were saying on the video. You get some people who just want to be different and creative, and don't quite know where the boundaries are. You ought to hear what we did to the Birthday song at our church
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What year exactly were the words to the National Anthem written?
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) white woman I feel bullied into not expressing offense against what I perceive as racism and an old fashioned Superiority Complex because any objection seems to be perceived as innate racism on my part. Does that make sense? 
). I understand what everybody is saying, but I really don't think that this was an issue of racism on her part or even that she was trying to make a political statement. It seems that she is an artist who was trying to make an artistic statement. Once again it was probably ill-advised, but I believe that what made it even possible is a slight, maybe subconscious difference in how people view some of our historical symbols.
Artistic license would be changing a note or two, or adding a riff on the guitar, and that's about the extent of it. (IMO)
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