Revisiting the "PANTS" Issue - Page 24

StMark · #**231** 05-30-2008, 06:55 PM

Pressing on,

Read my opinoin post. The reason for this thread was not to put down peoples' individual convictions. The discussion is about the future of the UPC in regards to this teaching

StMark · #**232** 05-30-2008, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

What about Scottland's kilts or even Greece? those are not dresses but are a man's garment, and looks very much like a skirt. Grant it many do not wear them now days but still was made for men.

Those are worn for ceremonial purposes only or for some types of cultural festivities that celebrate their past.

jaxfam6 · #**233** 05-30-2008, 07:04 PM

I hate this thread. Every time I read something where peole have responded to StMark they simply use Mark and that is my first name also and I have to stop and remind myself I did not start this. Besides as many differences as Dan and I have on some of our beliefs this is not one of them.
Isn't there a post on AFF somewhere that someone stated about one of the Targum's that had been written so that the OT could be understood by those that did not understand Hebrew, back all those years ago, show that the scripture got translated as women not wearing the fringe like the men and men not shaving to look like a woman? Just one of the old translations from before all our times but since we have the Holy Ghost living in us now days I am sure we have a better understanding of it all now.

StMark · #**234** 05-30-2008, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I hate this thread. Every time I read something where peole have responded to StMark they simply use Mark and that is my first name also and I have to stop and remind myself I did not start this. Besides as many differences as Dan and I have on some of our beliefs this is not one of them.
Isn't there a post on AFF somewhere that someone stated about one of the Targum's that had been written so that the OT could be understood by those that did not understand Hebrew, back all those years ago, show that the scripture got translated as women not wearing the fringe like the men and men not shaving to look like a woman? Just one of the old translations from before all our times but since we have the Holy Ghost living in us now days I am sure we have a better understanding of it all now.

How are they using me ??? I'm just trying to understand your point.

which Dan are you talking about?

why do you hate this thread?

jaxfam6 · #**235** 05-30-2008, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StMark

Those are worn for ceremonial purposes only or for some types of cultural festivities that celebrate their past.

Have you been to Scotland lately? not all wear them for ceremonial.
They are making a big come back these days in daily dress and fashion over there. As I stated though not all wear them all the time but there is a trend towards more men wearing them all the time.

ForeverBlessed · #**236** 05-30-2008, 07:08 PM

Hi Mark.... I see you are still concerned with "pants".

You kill me my friend.

I heard a UPC preacher make a comment just the other day about the problem we are having with "feminine" young men in the church today... "Have you seen all the women's pants these young guys are wearing??".

I thought I was gonna lose it. Sadly I was the only one who saw the humor of that statement.... I felt a little bad for it... I was in a church service, I had to be good. As much as some might not like to admit it... there is quite a difference in men's and women's pants.

Sad to say, many of this younger generation of men has adopted a very feminine leaning in their dress. I think it is even in some of their hair styles. I saw one young man at a recent youth rally with the tightest, low riding pair of girly jeans and even a purse/bag slung over his shoulder... long shaggy hair... I guess he was hip... I think some of these boys need taken out back.... whup something into them.

I hate to see effeminacy in a man, and masculinity in a woman... that spirit is exactly what Deut 22:5 was addressing.

StMark · #**237** 05-30-2008, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

Have you been to Scotland lately? not all wear them for ceremonial.
They are making a big come back these days in daily dress and fashion over there. As I stated though not all wear them all the time but there is a trend towards more men wearing them all the time.

That is the culture. I don't believe that if we had the opportunity to go to Arabia, we sould try to change them from wearing robes because it's the culture. UNLESS the culture was ungodly. In heathen cultures, we have to instruct them in a better and more biblical way.
In our western culture, Men do not wear dresses period. women are wearing whatever they want. the lines have been blurred.

jaxfam6 · #**238** 05-30-2008, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I hate this thread. Every time I read something where peole have responded to StMark they simply use Mark and that is my first name also and I have to stop and remind myself I did not start this. Besides as many differences as Dan and I have on some of our beliefs this is not one of them.
Isn't there a post on AFF somewhere that someone stated about one of the Targum's that had been written so that the OT could be understood by those that did not understand Hebrew, back all those years ago, show that the scripture got translated as women not wearing the fringe like the men and men not shaving to look like a woman? Just one of the old translations from before all our times but since we have the Holy Ghost living in us now days I am sure we have a better understanding of it all now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StMark

How are they using me ??? I'm just trying to understand your point.

which Dan are you talking about?

why do you hate this thread?

Do not really hate it. Just a figure of speach. My first name is Mark ALSO and ever time I see them respond to YOU they are using just the Mark part and since it is my name I of course have to REMEMBER it is not ME they are talking to. Not that it is a big deal.
DANIEL A is the Dan I was talking about.

jaxfam6 · #**239** 05-30-2008, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

Hi Mark.... I see you are still concerned with "pants".

You kill me my friend.

I heard a UPC preacher make a comment just the other day about the problem we are having with "feminine" young men in the church today... "Have you seen all the women's pants these young guys are wearing??".

I thought I was gonna lose it. Sadly I was the only one who saw the humor of that statement.... I felt a little bad for it... I was in a church service, I had to be good. As much as some might not like to admit it... there is quite a difference in men's and women's pants.

Sad to say, many of this younger generation of men has adopted a very feminine leaning in their dress. I think it is even in some of their hair styles. I saw one young man at a recent youth rally with the tightest, low riding pair of girly jeans and even a purse/bag slung over his shoulder... long shaggy hair... I guess he was hip... I think some of these boys need taken out back.... whup something into them.

I hate to see effeminacy in a man, and masculinity in a woman... that spirit is exactly what Deut 22:5 was addressing.

Exactly

StMark · #**240** 05-30-2008, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

Hi Mark.... I see you are still concerned with "pants".

You kill me my friend.

I heard a UPC preacher make a comment just the other day about the problem we are having with "feminine" young men in the church today... "Have you seen all the women's pants these young guys are wearing??".

I thought I was gonna lose it. Sadly I was the only one who saw the humor of that statement.... I felt a little bad for it... I was in a church service, I had to be good. As much as some might not like to admit it... there is quite a difference in men's and women's pants.

Sad to say, many of this younger generation of men has adopted a very feminine leaning in their dress. I think it is even in some of their hair styles. I saw one young man at a recent youth rally with the tightest, low riding pair of girly jeans and even a purse/bag slung over his shoulder... long shaggy hair... I guess he was hip... I think some of these boys need taken out back.... whup something into them.

I hate to see effeminacy in a man, and masculinity in a woman... that spirit is exactly what Deut 22:5 was addressing.

Foreverblessed, been a long time! I wasn't even sure if you was here anymore or not. I saw your name on the admin. list but thought perhaps it was in name only.

my point of starting this thread was to discuss the direction of the UPC. I do think that eventually pants will not be an issue and I don't quite know what to think of it.

I have several societal concerns. If anyone cannot admit that we are digressing spiritually and socially, then they choose to be blind. but WHY?? and HOW did we get to this point ??? I tend to believe that it was the little foxes that have spoiled the vine. why are men becoming more women like? the women are ruling are society now. that's why. Feminism has taken root, that's why.