Guess I'm just the master of old, worn out sayings!
I remember when they used to say...
* Pawn my word and honor!
* Right as rain!
* Beyond a shadow of a doubt!
See, I'm edjerkated!
Sometime I'll have to tell you about my former Media Ministry man who was notorious for misspelling my titles. I preached years ago a message called "Anointed but Naked" I had three tapes brought to me after Church - 9 total were sold - but all were marked with a that unfortunate extra 't' at the end of the middle word.
Bro. Steadfast
Good post although the "iron sharpeneth iron" thing is open for interpretation.
I agree with you that the internet would be a great way to allow the greater voice of our constituency to be heard.
I am against a changing of the qualifications for voting membership to include anyone with any type of license. The qualifications as written are known when anyone applies for license and are written in such a way as to make active ministry (with some exceptions) the criteria for voting. I don't think someone who has a local license but is not actively involved in ministry should have a vote.
Perhaps each district should forward a list of qualified voters from their district and each one be issued a password along with their identifier number. It would be very easy to stream the business session - they would not be able to speak but certainly would be able to vote and their votes could be compiled very quickly.
Bro. Steadfast
Good post although the "iron sharpeneth iron" thing is open for interpretation.
I agree with you that the internet would be a great way to allow the greater voice of our constituency to be heard.
I am against a changing of the qualifications for voting membership to include anyone with any type of license. The qualifications as written are known when anyone applies for license and are written in such a way as to make active ministry (with some exceptions) the criteria for voting. I don't think someone who has a local license but is not actively involved in ministry should have a vote.
Perhaps each district should forward a list of qualified voters from their district and each one be issued a password along with their identifier number. It would be very easy to stream the business session - they would not be able to speak but certainly would be able to vote and their votes could be compiled very quickly.
Guy, my post was a little 'broad' in it's statement. I actually agree with what you said 100%. I don't think anybody with a license should be able to vote, either. Something is to be said for those who have real life experience in ministry matters vs. those who don't.
If you were given 10 minutes to speak to the entire general board of the United Pentecostal Church what would you say? What would you ask. What are the issues you would like to discuss?
This would be what I would say.
Good day brethern, in the lovely name of Jesus, I only have 15 minutes so I will get to the point.
The state of the church, in my opinion cannot continue to operate as it has in the past with the same mindset toward organization and/or ministry. I say this because I understand how the business climate has changed dramatically from how business was conducted in past generations. The church cannot continue to operate in the vertical, top-down, heirarchical structure and still expect to succeed and maintain relevance.
Why has the secular business structure changed? Because our society has changed in terms of priorities, focus, education, and the natural cycle of change. Those same people are in your churches, believe it or not.
I know there are those who cross their arms with a crusty look and the resistive attitude that change=compromise, but those same people are the ones who will deprive their community of a church because that once they die off, the church will founder into non-existence.
As I am sure you also know, from a grassroots perspective there are sparks running across the foundation of the church. People are beginning to understand the effect of 30 years of preaching religious culture as though it were the sovereign word of God. It hasn't worked, it hasn't produced the holiness that people who embrace the standards are supposed to have and have come to expect from others. The law is there, the attendance is there, but only, in my opinion through peer pressure, suggestion, and insinuation.
So in a few words, the UPC has always been about attempting to preserve and protect their biblical doctrines and their social doctrines in an attempt to maintain a religious separation from the mainstream, however people do not grow, they are not spiritually stronger, churches are not stronger when the organization has first and foremost its own existence as a priority. People are starting to figure it out.
Carp, this is why they won't give you ten minutes. Boy, give some people an inch and they'll take a mile... You sure you weren't a preacher in a previous life????
Carp, this is why they won't give you ten minutes. Boy, give some people an inch and they'll take a mile... You sure you weren't a preacher in a previous life????
i saw that too! didnt say anyting because Im used to guys "landing" for half an hour....
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Bro. Steadfast
Good post although the "iron sharpeneth iron" thing is open for interpretation.
I agree with you that the internet would be a great way to allow the greater voice of our constituency to be heard.
I am against a changing of the qualifications for voting membership to include anyone with any type of license. The qualifications as written are known when anyone applies for license and are written in such a way as to make active ministry (with some exceptions) the criteria for voting. I don't think someone who has a local license but is not actively involved in ministry should have a vote.Perhaps each district should forward a list of qualified voters from their district and each one be issued a password along with their identifier number. It would be very easy to stream the business session - they would not be able to speak but certainly would be able to vote and their votes could be compiled very quickly.
with this being page 24 I probably am repeating somebody else but....
I read this paragraph:
Quote:
I know there are those who cross their arms with a crusty look and the resistive attitude that change=compromise, but those same people are the ones who will deprive their community of a church because that once they die off, the church will founder into non-existence.
and I was reminded how our brain tells us what to think even if the words say something different....can you see what was stated....isn't it a little wierd...?
again [with highlight added]
Quote:
I know there are those who cross their arms with a crusty look and the resistive attitude that change=compromise, but those same people are the ones who will deprive their community of a church because that once they die off, the church will founder into non-existence.
If the founder of the church is God constructing his own house, the house will increase and be glorious.
If the founder is a man; it will prosper according to the systems of men.
and in all likely, end up.........founder-ing into non-existence.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
with this being page 24 I probably am repeating somebody else but....
I read this paragraph:
and I was reminded how our brain tells us what to think even if the words say something different....can you see what was stated....isn't it a little wierd...?
again [with highlight added]
If the founder of the church is God constructing his own house, the house will increase and be glorious.
If the founder is a man; it will prosper according to the systems of men.
and in all likely, end up.........founder-ing into non-existence.
"Founder" is a verb as well as a noun.
Go and learn what it means "to founder," and the sentence will make perfect sense.
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