A letter from Bro. Haney

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by jrLA

How rude!

The letter was sent to the General Board Members... A revised version might go out to the entire fellowship... I am not sure.

And BTW, W.H. has a degree in rude and unreasonable... He is so unbelievable in his statements you would think he was joking or sarcastic, but he is for real... It is so amazing that it is sad...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

K.H. is cool.. The right response at the right time...

The letter from Bishop Haney and the resolution on TV is out of tune with the last 35 years of growth in the Christian world.

The organization should be talking about how to negotiate with countries like China and Russia on human rights and religious freedoms.

Not the importance of a letter that is written to help plug the whole of a sinking ship, on a subject that the leaders of the UPCI should have had vision for 35 years ago...

The reason why so many Con's want to March to Tulsa.

They sat in hotel rooms and dinner tables with the same men who wanted the change for TV.

And cursed the day that the UPCI would ever allow TV to be used as an evangelistic tool.

What the letter from KH should have been is an apology for the attitudes and division that has been part of the UPCI for the past 35 years....

The Culture of those leaving is a product of what the collective group stood against for decades....

That to me would be strong leadership....

[tv1a]

Who was the better preacher. Jesus or Peter?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

lol. true...it's easy to get those numbers mixed up...3k were added on the day of Pentecost.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Who was the better preacher. Jesus or Peter?

Really, good question. SO much for the numbers game

[LaGirl]

Originally Posted by jrLA

No sir, I did no judge her, I pastored her. There is a difference! If someone in my church is in a leadership position or on the platfrom, they are informed what is expected of them, infact the have to sign an agreement to abide by those standards or they will be dismissed. This is something I was infatic on.

Concerning the one seen in the mall....or anywhere else, that is between them and God! I am only a messenger.. I am not called to inforce, just to deliver. People have the become doers of the words and not hearers only!

where do you Pastor?

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

The letter from Bishop Haney and the resolution on TV is out of tune with the last 35 years of growth in the Christian world.

The organization should be talking about how to negotiate with countries like China and Russia on human rights and religious freedoms.

Not the importance of a letter that is written to help plug the whole of a sinking ship, on a subject that the leaders of the UPCI should have had vision for 35 years ago...

The reason why so many Con's want to March to Tulsa.

They sat in hotel rooms and dinner tables with the same men who wanted the change for TV.

And cursed the day that the UPCI would ever allow TV to be used as an evangelistic tool.

What the letter from KH should have been is an apology for the attitudes and division that has been part of the UPCI for the past 35 years....

The Culture of those leaving is a product of what the collective group stood against for decades....

That to me would be strong leadership....

Nate, with all due respect, the letter wasn't addressed to you or me for that matter and I am in the UPC... It was addressed to the General Board, and the posted on here...

We on the local level, have had to apologize for the way it used to be... However I am not going to spend all of my time apologizing for the attitudes of the churches from yesteryear, and I agree, they were very hard...

What I am going to do is present to them a better, more caring church that does not have to stick it's nose in all of their business...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by rrford

This sounds like "what you have seen" is heresay given to you by family and friends. Kind of "he said, she said." IMHO, most folks eventually see what they go looking for.

I have been around a while myself and have actually preached in a good number of churches. I have attended countless meetings and conferences. Funny thing, while I see some of what you say, it has not been as wholesale as what you say.

But if you accept that then you would have to get off of your bitter rants against the UPCI and we can't have that now, can we?

I get flack for making these observations yes from family. However I asked questions to my Dad as a young boy.

Why when we travel is there such a difference at these churches.

Some of the churches did not want my dad to wear a watch.

Many times my dad would take a cab to the church and then call the hotel room to tell my mom how to dress.

So she would not be rebuked at this church because her Dress was a Dress suit and had buttons on the front....

That is a fact that happened to us on several occasions.

Those events and experiences you can not take away from me...

I take what others say as only part of my obervation.

Much of this I have seen first hand....

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

Nate, with all due respect, the letter wasn't addressed to you or me for that matter and I am in the UPC... It was addressed to the General Board, and the posted on here...

We on the local level, have had to apologize for the way it used to be... However I am not going to spend all of my time apologizing for the attitudes of the churches from yesteryear, and I agree, they were very hard...

What I am going to do is present to them a better, more caring church that does not have to stick it's nose in all of their business...

You would also have to read each post to see why I responded the way I have....

I will state clearly, I have no issue with KH.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I get flack for making these observations yes from family. However I asked questions to my Dad as a young boy.

Why when we travel is there such a difference at these churches.

Some of the churches did not want my dad to wear a watch.

Many times my dad would take a cab to the church and then call the hotel room to tell my mom how to dress.

So she would not be rebuked at this church because her Dress was a Dress suit and had buttons on the front....

That is a fact that happened to us on several occasions.

Those events and experiences you can not take away from me...

I take what others say as only part of my obervation.

Much of this I have seen first hand....

You are so stuck in 35 years ago.

[jrLA]

Originally Posted by LaGirl

where do you Pastor?

Actually, I pastored church near Lake Charles until February of last year (2007). We are currently assisting at a church here in LA. We are here for a short time, until God moves us. We are actually waiting on God for direction for our future.