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Old 08-11-2014, 02:11 AM
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Probably Gregory Boyd.
When Greg Boyds book came out I bought it. I was stunned that he presented Oneness doctrine before going into his attack. It was so irrefutable he had to then caution his readers AGAINST CROSS REFERENCING THE SCRIPTURES!

Why would he do that? Because he knew in his heart if the readers DID they would be compelled to believe what he was now rejecting.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:55 AM
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When Greg Boyds book came out I bought it. I was stunned that he presented Oneness doctrine before going into his attack. It was so irrefutable he had to then caution his readers AGAINST CROSS REFERENCING THE SCRIPTURES!

Why would he do that? Because he knew in his heart if the readers DID they would be compelled to believe what he was now rejecting.
Right Michael! I read one of his other books and thought boy this guy almost sounds like he is oneness, but then he kept using the term "triune". Afterwards I found out he was formally oneness. Almost like he was using terminology to present himself as Trinitarian but still believed oneness.
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Well, I'm old enough but I wasn't there. The only UPC conference I have ever been to was in Indianapolis. It was 1958 or 1959 I think. It was held in Cadle Tabernacle. The place was packed with standing room only and someone from an organization in Mexico that was in fellowship with the UPC preached.
Sam, was William Branham at that meeting?
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Old 08-11-2014, 03:08 PM
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When Greg Boyds book came out I bought it. I was stunned that he presented Oneness doctrine before going into his attack. It was so irrefutable he had to then caution his readers AGAINST CROSS REFERENCING THE SCRIPTURES!

Why would he do that? Because he knew in his heart if the readers DID they would be compelled to believe what he was now rejecting.
Kind of an illogical conclusion on your part I must say. Why would he go through the whole excercise if he 'knew in his heart readers would be compelled to believe what he was now rejecting"?

I have no doubt that he sincerely believes what he does now whether it is right or wrong.

I would think it is more likely that you reached your conclusion because you already strongly believe the perspective he first outlined before he refuted it and you understandably had a hard time accepting his refutation. After all that is a discussion that has been going on for a very long time with very strongly held positions on each side!
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Adino I plan on going to Branson in Nov. I will visit the Flower Pentecostal Heritage Center. I don't trust Bernie. It is that simple. I find it hard to believe a disciple of Durham having Campbellite leanings. I promise you I have looked high and low for any history to corroborate this and found none. But if I go and the proof is there I will post it here. That wouldn't prove his veiw on baptism wrong I happen to believe baptism remits sins like they do only their baptism is NOT NT water baptism in Jesus Name. But I am man enough to confess I was wrong on this matter if I am proven wrong. Again it is good to see you posting again. Have you heard from our mutual friends lately I have not?
Did you ever find out anything about Cook?
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In recent years I have heard preachers speak lightly of the Azusa Street meetings, saying they had meetings that were just as good under their ministry. The old timers can only feel sorry for such and pity them.

In the meetings, one was not only baptized in the Holy Ghost, but also lived in such a heavenly atmosphere of love that he could never forget it. All else seemed so empty and void. Even as I write these pages, the memory of that meeting comes floating back, my eyes begin to swim with tears, and such a longing and yearning seizes me for a return of such a condition. I can feel that sacred fire still burning, and have the conviction that God will again visit His people in a like manner before the present dispensation ends.

If God’s people would only come together in love — and not allow differences in doctrine to divide them, or leaders whose vision is blurred by building churches (when not directed by the Spirit) to lead them, and those collecting tithes to satisfy their own greed to defraud them, but work toward one objective: to be filled with all the fullness of God — God would answer prayer. Doctrines, teaching, and tithes have their proper place in the gospel plan. But that overpowering, drawing power of the love of God must come first. Our present lukewarm condition is caused by a lack of this love that nothing can offend."


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Did you ever find out anything about Cook?
I have found no proof Cook was associated with the Campbellites?
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:22 PM
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From the pen of Cook himself: Glenn A. Cook, "The Kingdom Message," Vol. 1, No. 1, August?, 1933, p. 2...
"The writer [Cook speaking of himself] was raised among the Campbellites, as they were called in those days, and has seen hundreds baptized to get into that organization. Water baptism was all that was necessary, and in later years I have had these same people ridicule me when I told them they needed the Spirit-filled life."
I understand the original article is at Flower Pentecostal Heritage Center in Springfield, MO.
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I doubt the quote. I want to see it myself. Don't trust the source I know that shocks you. I will go and try to find it.
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