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Old 07-15-2007, 08:53 PM
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My mistake. Carlton Pearson.
I've heard of him, but didn't know he was gay or didn't believe in hell.
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Old 07-15-2007, 10:19 PM
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I've heard of him, but didn't know he was gay or didn't believe in hell.
I don't think he says he is gay, but he definitely doesn't believe in hell and he says that all mankind will be saved because Jesus already did the work on Calvary and it cannot be refuted or changed by us.

However, the gay community is flocking to him because they want to believe that they can live their lifestyle and still be saved. It's universalism.
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Old 07-15-2007, 10:21 PM
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:00 PM
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Once again assigning gender to words does not mean they are to be taken literally ... in all cases.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:15 PM
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God has placed himself after a masculine gender because he wanted "man" to rule the earth. Male authority is his order.

It's plain to see that in the scriptures - "A woman is not to usurp a man's authority, unless you're typing on a Forum."

It goes something like that. I think.

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Old 07-15-2007, 11:28 PM
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We have the masculinity in the names as Father and Son and, I believe I read that, the"Comforter" as referring to the Holy Ghost is masculine in the Greek.

I also remember reading that the writer used the masculine form of the demonstrative pronoun ekeinos ("that male one"). Thus, breaking the grammatical agreement that was expected by native language readers. It then was a clear indication of the author's intention to unambiguously convey the Holy Spirit as masculine.
Either you didn't read my post or just dismissed it, but they did NOT break the grammatical agreement that was expected. This is the typical Trinitarian argument that is made and ignores scholarship (Trinitarian) as well as grammar. They did NOT break anything. As I pointed out before, even Daniel Wallace acknowledges that the masculine pronoun modifies the antecedent noun comforter.

The vast majority of times you guys should notice that no pronoun is used. The only other time is in Romans where the neuter gender is used "itself"
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:29 PM
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This verse just dropped in my inner beings...

John 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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Hmmm...
How many inner beings do you have anyways?

As I pointed out already twice before...maybe three times, Greek scholars recognize that the masculine pronoun here modifies the masculine word comforter, the antecedent noun and not the neuter noun pneuma or Spirit.

Check again people and I think you will find NO pronouns are used for the word pneuma until Romans
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

BTW a quote by Bro Arnold who is also quoting Daniel Wallace, one of the best known biblical greek scholars and a trinitarian

Attention has also been drawn to the fact that the pronouns which follow are in the masculine. It has been claimed that because of this, the word must be a person. Now when such a claim is made, I must conclude that either the person who said it knows very little about the Greek language or they are not being fully honest with what they are saying. The rules of Greek grammar require that pronouns must agree with the nouns they represent in case, number and gender. Since the word logos (word) is masculine, its pronoun would of necessity be masculine! For example, the word church (ekklesia) is feminine. So the church is called a "she" in the Greek whenever a pronoun is used. No one would claim that this makes the church a person. This can also be seen where John later calls the comforter (parakletos) a "he." Commenting on this, Greek scholar Daniel Wallace makes this observation:
The use of ekeinos [he] here is frequently regarded by [Trinitarian] students of the NT to be an affirmation of the personality of the Spirit. . . . But this is erroneous. In all these Johannine passages, pneuma [spirit] is appositional to a masculine noun. The Gender of ekeinos thus has nothing to do with the natural gender of pneuma. The antecedent of ekeinos, in each case, is parakletos [comforter], not pneuma. . . . Thus, since parakletos is masculine, so is the pronoun. . . . Indeed, it is difficult to find any text in which pneuma is grammatically referred to with the masculine gender.1
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:34 PM
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Either you didn't read my post or just dismissed it, but they did NOT break the grammatical agreement that was expected. This is the typical Trinitarian argument that is made and ignores scholarship (Trinitarian) as well as grammar. They did NOT break anything. As I pointed out before, even Daniel Wallace acknowledges that the masculine pronoun modifies the antecedent noun comforter.

The vast majority of times you guys should notice that no pronoun is used. The only other time is in Romans where the neuter gender is used "itself"
I didn't read it. I think I have you on ignore. I think.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:36 PM
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I don't appreciate being talked about this way. Not one bit.


It's lies, all lies, I tell ya!!!!


I'm totally feminine, even if I do have a deep voice! So there!
snap snap snap, You go girl!!!
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:42 PM
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No. You are missing the point. God can't possibly be male because He doesn't have male reproductive organs. Forget that the Bible refers to Him as male because that's just because of how different languages were written. God truly is an "it."
The bible never calls God a male. Rather it just uses masculine pronouns, but it also uses a feminine noun for Spirit. Does that make the Holy Spirit a female?
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