Christmas is not pagan

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Completely off topic.
The LDS church over took the Catholic Church as the wealthiest church in the world, by three times as much. Pope may not have as much power as we think.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8816421.html

"Mormon President and Pope Francis meet for the first time, after decades of hidden diplomacy
The two leaders met for 33 minutes at the Vatican and exchanged gifts, the day before Russell M. Nelson was due to dedicate the first Mormon temple in Rome"

33...

The LDS is a branch of Freemasonry. These are two birds of a feather, flocking together.

[Esaias]

The LDS is supposedly worth about 100 billion bux US. Meanwhile the relatively small Greek Orthodox Church is worth 700 billion bucks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._organizations

[Esaias]

How many bigwigs in the US Intelligence establishment are members of the Knights of Malta? It's a Vatican military crusader order that issues its own passports and currency.

Compare that to LDS bigwigs in the same establishment. The Mormons are footsoldiers in federal law enforcement while the Catholics direct US national and international policy...

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And now... New Year's!

The date is pagan, and Roman Catholic.

The traditions - including black eyed peas and ham, and a Watchnight service on New Year's Eve - are pagan and catholic.

To CELEBRATE New Year's on January 1st is a DENIAL OF THE SOVEREIGNTY AND MONARCHY OF GOD, who declared THIS:

Exodus 12:1-14 KJV
And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, [2] This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. [3] Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: [4] And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. [5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: [6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. [7] And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. [8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. [9] Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. [10] And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. [11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the Lord's passover. [12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. [13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are : and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. [14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

According to God Himself, the real New Year's Day is 14 days prior to Passover, in the spring. NOT January 1st! We can't make the world or the Pope recognize God's authority, but we can certainly refuse to CELEBRATE their blatant disregard for our God and Saviour. We as Christians can acknowledge the true Biblical God-ordained New Year's Day (in the spring, the new moon right before Passover), and pay no mind to the heathen and their rebellious superstitions.

A date cannot be pagan.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

A date cannot be pagan.

https://www.teasenz.com/chinese-tea-hong-kong

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

https://www.teasenz.com/chinese-tea-hong-kong

You have a very weak God who loses control of days and seasons to pagans. You have formed your whole debate on this topic from that very faulty premise.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The LDS is supposedly worth about 100 billion bux US. Meanwhile the relatively small Greek Orthodox Church is worth 700 billion bucks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._organizations

Appreciate the correction, Thank you!

This is where my reference was;

https://nubiapage.com/top-5-richest-...he-world-2022/

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Merry Christmas to you anyway hope you have a great weekend.

Temps here last couple nights in the negatives. This has been holiday season for the books here in TN.

Happy Diwali?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

How many bigwigs in the US Intelligence establishment are members of the Knights of Malta? It's a Vatican military crusader order that issues its own passports and currency.

Compare that to LDS bigwigs in the same establishment. The Mormons are footsoldiers in federal law enforcement while the Catholics direct US national and international policy...

You have obviously have more knowledge on the subject, so I take that into account for the following;

The LDS believers have a massive movement in the federal government, many lawmakers are believers in the LDS faith. If 2012 would've went differently, we would've had one as the President. It's no secret that the LDS church controls the state of Utah as far as the political realm is concerned. With that said, I just don't think, the LDS are merely foot-soldiers in the gram skein of things.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Acts 21:21
And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

I wonder what the l customs Paul is said to have taught against besides circumcision?

Wow! If you have a problem understanding a clear verse how can you teach in a church? GS, Luke in Acts 21:21 is referring to false accusers, and how they misunderstood Paul's words. Peter explains this in 2 Peter 3:16 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Good grief