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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So if I was a Calvinist my view would be Biblical? Or, if YOU were a Calvinist, my view would be Biblical? I think your view is highly confused.



Jesus made it pretty plain - there's wheat, and there's tares. There are no "friends of wheat", the world hated Him and it hates His people. His people follow Him and His apostles (hence "apostolics"), if someone isn't apostolic they aren't following Him. That puts them in the tares category.

If the people who aren't following Christ and His apostles in the faith once delivered to the saints are singing your praises and slapping your back, then something's wrong. Not with them, though, cause the world loves its own...

Very good

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Haters have already made up their minds. Politics and religion don't mix. We don't agree to disagree. Ex-anything is usually hostile to the group they left behind in some degree. If someone is an ex-fill in the blank he or she wants to try and evangelize you. My wife was chatting away with a Mainstream Baptist Chrismatic Calvinist pastor's wife while we were out shopping one day. My wife told the woman to give her information to me. When she came over to give me her literature. I asked, "did you convert her" meaning my wife. The woman smiled and laughed. She said, "that was perceptive." Then she started to tell me all about the evils of "Pentecostals" I gave her litriture back, and we went our separate paths. We are in different movements of Christianity. We don't agree. Those disagreements keep us separated. Oh we can sit and have a banana split together. But sooner or later the differences are going to rise.

The Bible doesn't have Apostolic friends.

The apostles rebuked (must of had wicked stepmothers) an individual who was doing miracles in Jesus name. Jesus told them not to do that, because no one could do a miracle in His name, would be able to speak lightly of Him. But at judgement is when these individuals pay the piper. Jesus rebukes them ( Jesus didn't have a crazy stepparent?) saying remove from me you who are lawless I NEVER knew you. They replied that they were doing miracles in His name. Yet they still did not enter. Jesus isn't looking for friends. Jesus is looking for a Faith Child.

I assume then, that you don't sing the old song "What A Friend We Have In Jesus"?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So if I was a Calvinist my view would be Biblical? Or, if YOU were a Calvinist, my view would be Biblical? I think your view is highly confused.

Your view could only be considered biblical if one were to look at it as a Calvinist.

Jesus made it pretty plain - there's wheat, and there's tares. There are no "friends of wheat", the world hated Him and it hates His people. His people follow Him and His apostles (hence "apostolics"), if someone isn't apostolic they aren't following Him. That puts them in the tares category.

Wrong. You've missed the entire meaning and purpose of the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares. You've somehow twisted it up into some "us vs. them" lunacy. Which is actually quite the opposite of what its meaning truly is.

If the people who aren't following Christ and His apostles in the faith once delivered to the saints are singing your praises and slapping your back, then something's wrong. Not with them, though, cause the world loves its own...

Oh please, many of the greatest saints of God were once "haters". I could start with the Apostle Paul himself as an example.

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Let's delve into the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares since our resident evangelist didn't care to correct you for the sake of breaking up your mutual admiration society. Here is the text....

The Parable of the Weeds:

Matthew 13:24-30 (ESV)
24 He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25 but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27 And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

Jesus explains the parable,

Matthew 13:36-43 (ESV)
Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Now, to explain one important implication that was to be drawn from this parable, I will draw our attention to the following verses:

Matthew 13:28-30 (ESV)
28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”

Here the servants of man who sowed good seed (the Son of Man) desire to go forth into the field and tear out the weeds (tares) that were sown by the evil one. They are fully confident that they can discern between the wheat and the weeds. However, their master replies, "‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.'' In other words, "No, you can't go out thinking you know who is good and who is evil, else you'll cut down both the good with the evil." Instead, the servants are admonished to allow both the wheat and the tares to grow until the harvest, the end of the world. For by the time of harvest the wheat and the tares will be distinct from one another. The wheat will bow under the weight of their fruit, while the tares will stand straight and tall, having no fruit. But remember, this will not be evident until the harvest, end of the world. And even then, they are not challenged to go forth in the harvest, it is to be the "reapers" , or the "angels", who will go forth and separate the righteous and the unrighteous. The righteous will be gathered together into the barn (Christ's presence) and the wicked will be cast into the furnace, Hell itself.

They point is while yes, there are wheat and there are tares, neither you nor I are qualified to discern which is which. In fact, one may very well look like a tare for many years, yet in their final years bear seed and prove to be wheat.

Application:

To illustrate this point by placing you in a position wherein you can experience "applied theology", oh zealous servant of the field, I have attached five pictures below. This is a small portion of the field being laid out before you. At the time of their photographs, they were all unsaved and thought Apostolic religion was a bunch of baloney. However, one of them was born again within a year of their passing. Can you discern the tares from the wheat? Which four will you hack down as being tares??? Be very careful though, "lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Haters have already made up their minds. Politics and religion don't mix. We don't agree to disagree. Ex-anything is usually hostile to the group they left behind in some degree. If someone is an ex-fill in the blank he or she wants to try and evangelize you. My wife was chatting away with a Mainstream Baptist Chrismatic Calvinist pastor's wife while we were out shopping one day. My wife told the woman to give her information to me. When she came over to give me her literature. I asked, "did you convert her" meaning my wife. The woman smiled and laughed. She said, "that was perceptive." Then she started to tell me all about the evils of "Pentecostals" I gave her litriture back, and we went our separate paths. We are in different movements of Christianity. We don't agree. Those disagreements keep us separated. Oh we can sit and have a banana split together. But sooner or later the differences are going to rise.

The Bible doesn't have Apostolic friends.

The apostles rebuked (must of had wicked stepmothers) an individual who was doing miracles in Jesus name. Jesus told them not to do that, because no one could do a miracle in His name, would be able to speak lightly of Him. But at judgement is when these individuals pay the piper. Jesus rebukes them ( Jesus didn't have a crazy stepparent?) saying remove from me you who are lawless I NEVER knew you. They replied that they were doing miracles in His name. Yet they still did not enter. Jesus isn't looking for friends. Jesus is looking for a Faith Child.

I understand your perspective. However, I think it isn't biblical. For example, how do we know this "Mainstream Baptist Chrismatic Calvinist" pastor's wife will NEVER be converted and born of the water and the Spirit in Jesus name?

We can debate the odds all day long. But, the truth is... we don't know with any certainty if she will prove to be wheat or a tare. Evidently, you have yet to internalize and learn the applied meaning of Christ's parable.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Very good

Error.

You're invited to review post #223 also.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=223

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Actually, what people seek psychologists and psychiatrists aren't anything that needs to be HEALED like cancer, tumors, heart diseases, or the flu. Those are illnesses, which blood tests, and objective biological science can find and treat. With either modern medicine or natural alternatives, and of course the power of the Holy Ghost. But going to seek a psychiatrist because your too sad, or too angry, that is what the Gospel is for.

How is it that you can differentiate between the two types of illnesses-- clearly identifying one type as legitimate and clearly identifying the type is illegitimate? TBI's and chemical imbalances can occur and cause mental health issues, but even in the absence of those, there appears to be a familial, genetic link to depression and other mental health maladies. The same can be said for some physical conditions as well.

Even in the absence of clear, genetic links, physical maladies can occur. How is this any different from mental health maladies?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

We have been using Jesus Christ take care of it for 2,000 years, and now some headshrinker from Vienna comes along to tell everyone that their intrusive thoughts are caused by a disease? Ba-Lone-EEE

So Christians still turn to God first (atleast this guy did and I am sure there are others because I am not special). If God can use the knowledge of men to treat and cure physical conditions, why can't the same God do the same thing for mental health conditions?


Honestly, my medications work. I don't take anyone's disagreement on this subject personally, but I know what I have lived and what I am living right now. The medicines I take really do help me.

And I have personally experienced the limits of the medications prescribed to me. God is able to miraculously cure all of my maladies and diseases. The medicines prescribed to me only work if I take them and when I don't take them, any positive effects of the medicines vanish within a few days.

Jesus Christ is the ultimate Cure but He has allowed men to develop the skill and knowledge to provide treatment. If you agree with doctors treating physical maladies and internal diseases, why would you disagree with doctors treating mental maladies and diseases?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I understand your perspective. However, I think it isn't biblical. For example, how do we know this "Mainstream Baptist Chrismatic Calvinist" pastor's wife will NEVER be converted and born of the water and the Spirit in Jesus name?

We can debate the odds all day long. But, the truth is... we don't know with any certainty if she will prove to be wheat or a tare. Evidently, you have yet to internalize and learn the applied meaning of Christ's parable.

How is it that we can automatically write this woman off as unsaved right now (or at the point of the conversation)?

Do they not believe in baptism?

Doesn't her faith bare out the reality that she has been born again of the Spirit of God?

Doesn't Paul criticize the factions that were forming within the Corinthian church based on baptisms? Could the Oneness Pentecostals who insist that all are lost unless they are baptized in the Name of "Jesus Christ" be stumbling on the same issue that Paul deemed necessary to correct within his church?

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

How is it that you can differentiate between the two types of illnesses-- clearly identifying one type as legitimate and clearly identifying the type is illegitimate? TBI's and chemical imbalances can occur and cause mental health issues, but even in the absence of those, there appears to be a familial, genetic link to depression and other mental health maladies. The same can be said for some physical conditions as well.




So Christians still turn to God first (atleast this guy did and I am sure there are others because I am not special). If God can use the knowledge of men to treat and cure physical conditions, why can't the same God do the same thing for mental health conditions?


Honestly, my medications work. I don't take anyone's disagreement on this subject personally, but I know what I have lived and what I am living right now. The medicines I take really do help me.

And I have personally experienced the limits of the medications prescribed to me. God is able to miraculously cure all of my maladies and diseases. The medicines prescribed to me only work if I take them and when I don't take them, any positive effects of the medicines vanish within a few days.

Jesus Christ is the ultimate Cure but He has allowed men to develop the skill and knowledge to provide treatment. If you agree with doctors treating physical maladies and internal diseases, why would you disagree with doctors treating mental maladies and diseases?

EB does not believe in mental illness. There are millions that hold his same view. No matter who or how many come on here and tell their own personal experience he will write it off as just needing the Holy Ghost. I will not even bother telling my own history dealing with mental illness. Jermyn you are wasting your time trying to convince EB. But, the simple fact is, the way he has bashed even the idea of ADD, ADHD, PTSD depression, anxiety etc etc one day it will come back on him. I have seen it way too many times.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

EB does not believe in mental illness. There are millions that hold his same view. No matter who or how many come on here and tell their own personal experience he will write it off as just needing the Holy Ghost. I will not even bother telling my own history dealing with mental illness. Jermyn you are wasting your time trying to convince EB. But, the simple fact is, the way he has bashed even the idea of ADD, ADHD, PTSD depression, anxiety etc etc one day it will come back on him. I have seen it way too many times.

Well, I am here for the conversation, the respectful exchange of ideas.

EB is proven, 100% reliable in his ability to engage in respectful exchanges of ideas while expressing his deeply held opinions and truths.

He is no different from any other human being!

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well, I am here for the conversation, the respectful exchange of ideas.

EB is proven, 100% reliable in his ability to engage in respectful exchanges of ideas while expressing his deeply held opinions and truths.

He is no different from any other human being!

I enjoy the exchange, but I guess your definition of respect and mine aint exactly the same. However. IMO EB is very different!!