I have Left the UPC Church

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by COOPER

The five fold ministry is the weakest link. They are only sinners saved by grace.

Don't lean on your understanding, nor another mans understanding.

They are God's Gift to the Church.

At least, that is what the Bible says.

Thanks for your estimation and esteem of what God gave His people.

I would perhaps describe the gift a little differently.

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You did not.

But your post indicated unequivocally that what was sifted by her--one individual--would be truth.

None of us alone can be the arbiters of truth.

That must be done in the context of the checks and balances given the Body of Christ.

Isolating one's self to search for truth is unscriptural and will always end up in deception.

Paul came and checked what he believed to be revelation with Peter and John before he would trust that it was right.

Exactly... we must all have our checks and balances...

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by ILG

He said TRUTH can stand scrutiny. Not whatever Michlow comes up with will be truth.

Exactly.... I'm saying that quite a bit today... maybe I'm just being agreeable...

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

They are God's Gift to the Church.

At least, that is what the Bible says.

Thanks for your estimation and esteem of what God gave His people.

I would perhaps describe the gift a little differently.

And I get very annoyed at anyone who thinks they are Gods gift.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by ILG

He said TRUTH can stand scrutiny. Not whatever Michlow comes up with will be truth.

He made two statements.

The first was that truth can withstand scrutiny. I agree.

This was the second, an exaact quote:

What's left after you've sifted it, will be Truth.

This statement clearly says, in an unqualified statement, that what is left after she--Michelle--has "sifted" it, will be truth.

It says it clearly, Sister.

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by COOPER

And I get very annoyed at anyone who thinks they are Gods gift.

We are all God's gift -- even you...

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by COOPER

And I get very annoyed at anyone who thinks they are Gods gift.

Coop, the Scripture teaches that the ministry is God's Gift to the Church.

If you have a problem with that terminology, you will have to take it up with God.

The idea did not originate with me.

Would you like me to post the verses?

I think you know them, but I will if you like.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

He made two statements.

The first was that truth can withstand scrutiny. I agree.

This was the second, an exaact quote:



This statement clearly says, in an unqualified statement, that what is left after she--Michelle--has "sifted" it, will be truth.

It says it clearly, Sister.

Okay, maybe he should have said if Michlow's heart is right and she is really desiring truth, after she sifts she will find truth. I figured that is what he meant.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

We are all God's gift -- even you...

LOL! Yeah, even me too. Cool thought, NS.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

He made two statements.

The first was that truth can withstand scrutiny. I agree.

This was the second, an exaact quote:



This statement clearly says, in an unqualified statement, that what is left after she--Michelle--has "sifted" it, will be truth.

It says it clearly, Sister.

Ultimately it will be up to all of us to submit to the Word, the Spirit and ministry in sifting ... I don't see an inconsistency in Ron's statement ... I think that both Mich and Ron acknowledge the role of these things in their spiritual journey ... A reminder might be warranted ... but we are not dealing w/ immature believers ...