Whaaaaaaatt???? What's happening in Canada??

[TrueNorth]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Any licensed UPC minister in Canada should be able to give you the scoop.

Somebody needs to get under conviction and help Thumper.

Maybe Thad will be proven right after all.

An independent Canadian UPC;

Is it coming soon?

Or not?

From the west,

or will he slip it in from the east.

Maybe Thad will be proven right after all.

Somebody needs to get under conviction and help Thumper.

Could I mean the astute will seek out the scoop in one of St. Paul's epistles?

I already gave the inside and the outside scoop - all the scoop there is.
There is no ongoing saga here.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by TrueNorth

I already gave the inside and the outside scoop - all the scoop there is.
There is no ongoing saga here.

Your cryptic "ongoing saga" comment should tweak Thumper's interest.

I think I'll wait to see what Thumper comes up with.

Dig, Thumper, dig.

What is True North trying to hide from the unwashed?

Is there a burgeoning separatist movement in the UPC of Canada?

[Truly Blessed]

I will predict that eventually Canadians will one day awaken and realize they have been an appendage of the American church long enough and will see the value of their own Canadian organization. I prefer to use the word "national" rather than "independent". I have always had a problem understanding why Canada would not be its own national organization as every other nation in the world. Why should it be just an appendage simply because it is located next to the USA? Mexico is its own national organization, not just a collection of districts within an American organization. Is it an insecurity/inferiority issue or what?

[Maple Leaf]

Sovereignty association was a central concept of the separatist Quebec political party the Parti-Québécois (PQ) when it was led by René Lévesque. The term sovereignty association refers to the province of Quebec being politically independent from Canada but continuing to have an economic association or partnership with Canada. Examples of an economic partnership given by the PQ included free trade, tariffs on imports and a common currency.

Has the growth of the Quebecois constituency within the UPCC given rise to a Canadian demand for sovereignty association with the UPCI?

Does the UPCC have a charismatic René Lévesque to lead the separatist movement?

Will there be a referendum in the UPCC's future?

And, the big question, "If the UPCI is divisible, is the UPCC also divisible?"

Vive le UPCC libre!

It is my humble opinion that we need to determine who we are as the UPCC. Once that determination is made then we need to proceed in a very set course that I believe will give clarity and power to our mission.

[Felicity]

I've heard through the grapevine ..... .... that the majority of AD men would vote in favour of such a resolution.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by D&J

It is my humble opinion that we need to determine who we are as the UPCC. Once that determination is made then we need to proceed in a very set course that I believe will give clarity and power to our mission.

This is an excellent observation.

I think that one major factor in the Canadian equation is regionalism. Would it ever be possible to have a truly United PC in a divided Canada? Would the brethren from the West accept a leader from the East? Would the Brethren from the East be happy with a leader from the West?

The Canadian solution has typically been to elect Prime Ministers from Quebec, an answer that is not particularly palatable to either East or West, but more appealing than the alternative.

Ontario appears to be the growth centre of the UPCC. Could a Superintendent from Ontario be expected to have a vision that extends beyond his own backyard? Would Atlantic Canada suffer the same consequences in a religious organization as it has had inflicted upon it by Confederation?

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I've heard through the grapevine ..... .... that the majority of AD men would vote in favour of such a resolution.

But, would they if they thought for a moment that the first Superintendent would receive his mail in BC?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

This is an excellent observation.

I think that one major factor in the Canadian equation is regionalism. Would it ever be possible to have a truly United PC in a divided Canada? Would the brethren from the West accept a leader from the East? Would the Brethren from the East be happy with a leader from the West?

The Canadian solution has typically been to elect Prime Ministers from Quebec, an answer that is not particularly palatable to either East or West, but more appealing than the alternative.

Ontario appears to be the growth centre of the UPCC. Could a Superintendent from Ontario be expected to have a vision that extends beyond his own backyard? Would Atlantic Canada suffer the same consequences in a religious organization as it has had inflicted upon it by Confederation?

I think a Supt. from Ontario could have a vision beyond his own backdoor as much as a Maritimer could.

Certainly though the differences between East and West is well .... as far as the distance from East to West.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

But, would they if they thought for a moment that the first Superintendent would receive his mail in BC?

LOL! I choked on that as I swallowed my now lukewarm coffee.