Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Surely there is a "Oneness Sabbath Keepers - Yahweh baptizing" Forum on the INTERNET somewhere! If there is one - I promise to stay off of it and not harass those that choose to be wrong and believe all that goofy stuff! Why would people come on here to high jack this forum with all this crazy I am better cause I milk goats and keep the Sabbath/honor one day above the rest and use Hebrew names and what ever else nonsense some of you guys are into. If you believe all that - why can't you do it on a Oneness Sabbath Yahweh Forum! I was raised in strange cultic Pentecostalism and escaped from it and I am sick of strange weird cultic wacky ideologies that some of you have and you have to try and shove it down our throats. I am not drinking your KOOL AID!
BTW...I keep the SABBATH every single day and do not honor one day above another. I am NOT going to argue NO TITHE, HOUSE CHURCHES, SABBATH, YAHWEH, or anything else - I just thought since most on here want to just keep peace with these weird wacky ideas - that SOMEBODY should say - YOU ARE WRONG! I don't have time to argue with you all day and night and cut and paste continually to argue with you. You guys are straining at gnats and swallowing camels! DONE!

Funnily enough I don't believe a word of it. You have over two THOUSAND posts so you are evidently not as busy and otherwise occupied as you claim. In that long list of posts I do not see that you have ever extended the hand of friendship to anyone with a differing view, so I am just not able to feel picked on, even with the smarty pants comment about goat milking, sorry

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We discuss things on AF that are far more goofy than the Sabbath AB. Besides, this is an “Apostolic” forum and we are Holy Ghost filled Jesus name baptized believers. Also, isn’t the position of non-sabbath keepers not to esteem any day over another? By saying we are not welcome you are testifying that your chosen day of worship (I assume Sunday) is to be esteemed above the Sabbath on this forum. You’re opposing yourself dear brother.



One thread in possibly dozens is hardly hijacking a forum AB. In your opposition you’re exaggerating.



We’re not better than you. We simply sincerely believe obeying the Ten Commandments is important for Christian sanctification. Yet your post here makes me feel as though you feel you are better than Sabbath keepers because you don’t place such a high regard on the Law of God.



Because we’re faithful Apostolic Friends Bro. AB.



Ummm… most of us attend mainstream churches with Sunday services AB. Why? It is because we do not want churches NOT to meet on Sunday. We’re concerned with the notion of disregarding the Sabbath. Our Sabbath keeping is primarily one of personal devotion and love for God’s ways. I’m sorry you had to attend a cultic Pentecostal church AB. Try not to send that bitterness our way. You need to forgive them and not harbor so much animosity. Not for them, but for your own good.



Wait…you say that, but you’d invite us to leave this forum because we advocate keeping the Sabbath? You’re actions oppose your words. Obviously you do esteem Sunday worship above the weekly Sabbath or you wouldn’t demand we leave. Also, we too keep our Sabbath in Christ every day. However, we believe that the Ten Commandments are God’s moral Law and that not one jot or tittle shall pass away from the Law of God until Heaven and Earth pass away. The crux of the position is the honor placed upon the Ten Commandments.



We’re discussing this issue AB. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to post on this thread. In fact, I’d wager that you’re kicking against the pricks or you honestly wish to discuss it…or you wouldn’t have posted here.

So…do you believe the Ten Commandments have been abolished?

Very tactful and kind. Keep it up, I'm learning

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

We have been fence-sitters for a while on the issue of the Sabbath. What made you decide to keep the Sabbath? Was there any particular scripture that made it clear to you?

This one helped me...

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

John states that sin is the trangression of the Law. We know that we are called not to sin. Therefore, there must be a law to obey. I had to ask myself, Is this the Law of Moses with it's ceremonial ordinances? The answer was obviously not. So then I began to wonder, is there a body of law that is distinct from the Law of Moses? I discovered that the Law of God is indeed quite distinct from the Law of Moses. For example, the Law of God (Ten Commandments) were placed inside the ark. The books of Moses (Law of Moses) was placed in the side of the ark. They were separated. Moses wrote on parchment that would decay. God carved the Ten Commandments into stone to demonstrate their enduring nature. The Law of Moses was largely ceremonial and civil, pertaining to the nation of Israel. The Law of God is moral and binding upon all men to convict of sin until the return of Christ. Therefore I concluded that the Ten Commandments must be obeyed. So I questioned the Sabbath. Then I read,

James 2:10-11
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So we are told one must keep the whole law. Because if one offend in one point, he is guilty of breaking the whole law. Then James mentions adultery and killing, violations of the Ten Commandments. So if we violate ONE part of the Ten Commandments, we've violated the entirety of God's moral law. That brought me to the Fourth Commandment:

Exodus 20:8-11
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I began to study this commandment. It references the creation, something prior to the giving of the Law to Israel, when God "sanctified" the seventh day. "Sanctified" means set apart for sacred use. Upon examining this commandment I realized that all God was asking was that we remember to take the seventh day and have our entire house hold rest from secular labors, that we might "keep it holy" (keep it separate). Why? For worship and devotion. That's why God "hallowed" the seventh day. So I decided to begin to rest and worship as a personal devotion to the LORD when He ordained it, on the seventh day. I keep this devotion even if I can't attend church on Sunday. It's my sanctuary in time.

Jesus said,

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Notice, the Sabbath was made for man. Meaning mankind. Jesus didn't say that the Sabbath was made for Jews. In fact, you'll find that God sanctified the day long before there ever was a nation of Israel (that's in the Fourth Commandment itself). So to argue that it was only binding upon Israel is to totally miss a blessed gift God has given all of mankind.

This one also spoke to me powerfully...

Matthew 5:17-19
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus states that until heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle will pass from the law. This is speaking of the eternal state. What Law is Jesus talking about? Definitely not the Law of Moses. So again, we're forced to consider God's eternal moral Law, the Ten Commandments. The moral Law of God stands until there is time no more. Jesus goes on to state that whosoever shall break one of the least commandments, and shall teach men to do so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. I DON'T want to be that guy. I want to hear "Well done, my good and faithful servant." Notice, Jesus doesn't condemn all who violate God's Law to Hell because He knows that all have violated it. The issue is... who will violate it and teach men to do so. Am I teaching men to disregard the Fourth Commandment??? Whoa! I don't want that hanging above my head. I love Him. Lastly, Jesus says that whosoever shall do and teach the commandments in the Law, the same shall be called great in Heaven. I'm running for a prize here. I want to please Him.

Now... I too came from a very legalistic and cultic church as did AB. This verse set me FREE:

James 2:10-13
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Here James refers to the Law as being the "law of liberty". Is this the Law of Moses with it's ordinances? No. Again, this points to the moral Law of God, the Ten Commandments. In fact, again adultery and murder are noted (in the Ten Commandments).

How did this set me free? How did this become a "law of liberty" for me? Well... my previous church set so many arbitrary standards based on Pentecostal tradition and the pastor's convictions I was smothered in a performance based religion. Then when I compared my church to other churches I found that the standards of what pleased God were different. So now... I was confused! I didn't know what to do to please God. So I'd obey my pastor HOPING that I was pleasing God. Then God set me free from legalism and bondage. But I knew that God must have a standard for mankind. There must be a single standard. Else without a single standard, sin becomes arbitrary and relative. Most of those I began to talk to were antinomian (believing in NO LAW and embracing once saved always saved doctrine). I rolled with them for a while but continued to feel God calling me to be "holy". How could I be holy not knowing what to do to be holy??? God revealed to be "BE JESUS". Then as I studied the words of Jesus I saw that the Law was not to pass away. I began to realize that the Ten Commandments are the standard for all men given directly from the finger of God. They are moral, holy, simple, and quite frankly...common sense. They are:

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)

1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

My first pastor used to say that one could live holy and sinless if they tried. I never quite nailed down what he meant beyond obeying the standards. But now... I can see it. The above, for the Holy Ghost filled Christian, is easy because we desire to do those things. Suddenly man made arbitrary standards fell off of me like broken shackles. I now KNOW what pleases God. No dress code banter, no standard stupidity. Solid, simple, moral teaching. I'm now FREE to be a born again God pleasing Christian. This is my "law of liberty". If someone asks me what standards I believe in... this is my list.

I could go on and on. But I hope this post helps you understand how I was led to this path.

God bless!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Very tactful and kind. Keep it up, I'm learning

We all are. I'm doing well today. Pray for me... I might become a buggar tomorrow. lol

[houston]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Why would people come on here to high jack this forum with all this crazy I am better cause I milk goats and keep the Sabbath/honor one day above the rest and use Hebrew names and what ever else nonsense some of you guys are into.

I feeeeel the anointing!!

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by houston

I feeeeel the anointing!!

Are you sure it's not the goat's butt talking to you again ROFL!!!

[houston]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Are you sure it's not the goat's butt talking to you again ROFL!!!

It wasn't talking to me. I asked you if it could speak. Balaam's spoke.

[Titus2woman]

I think that was an ass... not a goat. One does not have to live on a farm to differintiate four legged creatures. And for the record there are a couple dozen cattle here and at least as many goats and not of them, as far as I am aware, talk.

[bbyrd009]

Well, I'm not into Sunday-bashing, but I will say Sabbath-day bashing might be more pointed coming from someone who hasn't adopted an ersatz Romish title...no offense.

[houston]

Funny stuff. Aquila uses the "Catholics changed worship to Sunday so I'm going to keep the Sabbath like a pseudo jew" argument. But, he was completely fine with celebrating the Catholic holiday of Christ-mass.