I'm in the GloorrrrrrayLand Waaaay!!!! (West Dist Conf)

[Scott Hutchinson]

Politics is a P word but churches don't have that do they ?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Berk ... notice that services are called GATHERINGS at Epicenter

sounds like a lack of commitment... lol..

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Also, you said this would be a blow to the cons? Overwhealmingly the more moderate churches wanted this split

Technically speaking, Prax, the ministers in the Southern portion of the state wanted to form a new district. The majority of the pastors in the southern region are moderate, hence the perception out there that more moderate churches wanted to form a new district. It has everything to do with geography.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

if this is is true than the libs and conservatives together carried the no vote???

Most likely the UCons...in the north? My understanding is the churches in the south are overwhealmingly in favor of it with the exception of a few UC pastors I know of...because they would be stuck in the southern, more moderate district.

But my point here is...so what? Those same pastors are already boycotting WD youth conventions and campmeetings and having their own. This is why I don't get how the split did not pass.

I can only think this is another case of voting a certain way just to spite someone or some group

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I just know what the moderates are like. All the moderate pastors in the south wanted this split....this was before the conf

You mean...wanted to form a new district....

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

You mean...wanted to form a new district....

Yes, Force a split to Two and a half Districts.

(The proposal leans toward a Southern Nevada Home Missions District too)

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Ferd

all is well? No, every state has issues and there are still conservitives and liberals and everything in between, but Louisiana has had very strong leadership that has not tollerated borish behavior from anyone for as long as there has been a UPCI. everyone still is behind the DS in La. now. so while there are issues, it isnt a continual fight for control of the state.

TRUE...which is very different here. When leadership has tried to not tolerate this behavior...we get a letter writing campaign slamming the district. One was the topic here a few months ago. Unfortunately, it is a FIGHT for CONTROL.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Technically speaking, Prax, the ministers in the Southern portion of the state wanted to form a new district. The majority of the pastors in the southern region are moderate, hence the perception out there that more moderate churches wanted to form a new district. It has everything to do with geography.

So then would you agree that most of the votes were probably from northern pastors?

Another problem with the district and getting to meetings...our section stretches from Thousand Oaks to Paslo Roblos....it's like a 4 hour drive from one end to the other...what kind of a section is that? There are other sections here where the churchs are located more circularly around each other rather than stretched in one long line. And that will never change as long as nobody wants to make a new district...nobody is going to redraw the sections.

Does that matter to some of these Pastors? No. Becaus they don't fellowship the other churches anyways. This is absurd. What's the point in being an organization anymore? You can be independent and still have a fellowship of churches. P white left and still fellowships other UPCs that have not "compromised" (to use their words)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

You mean...wanted to form a new district....

Yes of course, but that is the word everyone is using...split. Split the WD in half

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

TRUE...which is very different here. When leadership has tried to not tolerate this behavior...we get a letter writing campaign slamming the district. One was the topic here a few months ago. Unfortunately, it is a FIGHT for CONTROL.

It is on both sides SoCali, as one side feels they have no representation on the District Board. Paul Price did such a great job at keeping the sides at bay for so long.

I would not want the job of DS here for sure.