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Old 05-26-2010, 03:19 PM
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Ha ha ha! You are too kind! I'll be 22 in December! LOL!!!!

God bless you!
I have grandkids older than you, so I consider you a kid.

I have 5 children. One is 50 and 4 are in their 40's and I consider people kids at that age.

So, you are a kid to me.

Thank you for that post.
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Old 05-26-2010, 04:56 PM
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Laughing to keep from vomiting...righteousness, peace, and joy in the "Holy Ghost," right?
Um, what????????
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:19 PM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

I left the UPC about 19 years ago. It was one of the most painful decisions of my life. If I could have become a licensed minister I would have but I could not in good conscience sign the license agreement. I pastor a non-denominational spirit-filled church where I have been for 17 years.

My advice is that you and your husband would be best off to wait until you are in complete unity about it. My wfe was right by my side when we left, but it took a lot of discussions before we came to that conclusion togher. I have had to develop an internal relatioship that replaced a holiness that focues predonminantly on "external" issues. Our church is doing great. Check out our website at www.ccc-si.com
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:40 AM
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I left the UPC about 19 years ago. It was one of the most painful decisions of my life. If I could have become a licensed minister I would have but I could not in good conscience sign the license agreement. I pastor a non-denominational spirit-filled church where I have been for 17 years.

My advice is that you and your husband would be best off to wait until you are in complete unity about it. My wfe was right by my side when we left, but it took a lot of discussions before we came to that conclusion togher. I have had to develop an internal relatioship that replaced a holiness that focues predonminantly on "external" issues. Our church is doing great. Check out our website at www.ccc-si.com
Good Post, Dr.Phil. Welcome to AFF!
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:27 AM
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I left the UPC about 19 years ago. It was one of the most painful decisions of my life. If I could have become a licensed minister I would have but I could not in good conscience sign the license agreement. I pastor a non-denominational spirit-filled church where I have been for 17 years.

My advice is that you and your husband would be best off to wait until you are in complete unity about it. My wfe was right by my side when we left, but it took a lot of discussions before we came to that conclusion togher. I have had to develop an internal relatioship that replaced a holiness that focues predonminantly on "external" issues. Our church is doing great. Check out our website at www.ccc-si.com
Dr Phill I would recomend one have this internal relationship long before they leave performance based religion. After all it is the internal relationship, that was the whole reason Christ came to earth for us.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Man has gotten too wrapped up in the salvation issue and has not gone on to grow into relationship with God.

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

It is becoming my opinion that many that have been saved, and then lost are only lost in the mind of close minded legalistic so called Christians. Based primarily on thier own twisted teaching of what are the commandments of God.

Let me give a list of things I have come to find are not sin.

It is not a sin for a women to wear jewlery, put on make-up, wear pants, or cut her hair.

For all you saved alcoholics don't read this. It is not a sin to have a glass of wine or beer.

It is not a sin to go to the movie theater.

I could go on but I have made the point I wanted to make. If someone leaves a performance based church everyone judges them by thier church standards hence they become lost in the eyes of that church. When the fact of the matter they have grown in God in leaps and bounds beyond the restrictive legalistic church they left.

If any one wants to debated this you can private message me as I have said more than enough. It is not my intent to cause any to fall that are weak in the faith.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:16 AM
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I left the UPC about 19 years ago. It was one of the most painful decisions of my life. If I could have become a licensed minister I would have but I could not in good conscience sign the license agreement. I pastor a non-denominational spirit-filled church where I have been for 17 years.

My advice is that you and your husband would be best off to wait until you are in complete unity about it. My wfe was right by my side when we left, but it took a lot of discussions before we came to that conclusion togher. I have had to develop an internal relatioship that replaced a holiness that focues predonminantly on "external" issues. Our church is doing great. Check out our website at www.ccc-si.com
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:18 AM
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I left the UPC about 19 years ago. It was one of the most painful decisions of my life. If I could have become a licensed minister I would have but I could not in good conscience sign the license agreement. I pastor a non-denominational spirit-filled church where I have been for 17 years.

My advice is that you and your husband would be best off to wait until you are in complete unity about it. My wfe was right by my side when we left, but it took a lot of discussions before we came to that conclusion togher. I have had to develop an internal relatioship that replaced a holiness that focues predonminantly on "external" issues. Our church is doing great. Check out our website at www.ccc-si.com
do you teach water baptism in Jesus name and spirit filled??
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:21 AM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

Actually, I did develop an internal relationship before I left which no doubt contributed to my leaving. Whether one is in the UPC or out the same struggles continue between flesh and spirit. We still have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling one day at a time. For me, it was a matter of calling. More important than the external standards was the realization that salvation is by grace through faith alone in the finished work of Jesus on the cross. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for all believers but its not what saves us. It's interesting when the Apostle Paul has his conversion is blinded. Ananias comes to pray for him to receive the Holy Spirit. He addresses him as Brother Saul, already recognizing him as a brother in Christ. I believe we would do far better sharing blessing of the Holy Spirit if we don't look down on those believers who have not experienced it yet as being lost.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:23 AM
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Yes we do, but we also teach salvation is by grace through faith. A list of our beliefs is on our website. Thanks for asking.
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Actually, I did develop an internal relationship before I left which no doubt contributed to my leaving. Whether one is in the UPC or out the same struggles continue between flesh and spirit. We still have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling one day at a time. For me, it was a matter of calling. More important than the external standards was the realization that salvation is by grace through faith alone in the finished work of Jesus on the cross. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for all believers but its not what saves us. It's interesting when the Apostle Paul has his conversion is blinded. Ananias comes to pray for him to receive the Holy Spirit. He addresses him as Brother Saul, already recognizing him as a brother in Christ. I believe we would do far better sharing blessing of the Holy Spirit if we don't look down on those believers who have not experienced it yet as being lost.
I wouldn't base salvation doctrine on him being called brother. Even the rich man was called son by arbaham when he was in hell in Luke.

Not sure how one can be saved without the spirit of God in them, but that's another thread.
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