Another SPLIT from the UPCI???

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I would not want to be known as one who tries to get others to get/watch TV, however - a preacher preaching one is damned if he does... now that would be a great reason to get one - to demonstrate his teaching is far more dangerous than TV.

About shorts, if they are reasonable length, what could possibly be wrong with them?

TV and shorts are not inherently evil in themselves.

What you watch on the tv is the key.
Your intent in wearing shorts or not wearing shorts is the key.

If I make these commitments, it will be to get closer to God, not because they are inherently wrong or sinful.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

TV and shorts are not inherently evil in themselves.

What you watch on the tv is the key.
Your intent in wearing shorts or not wearing shorts is the key.

If I make these commitments, it will be to get closer to God, not because they are inherently wrong or sinful.

Keep us posted on how that goes. Will be interesting to see if not wearing shorts gets you closer to God. (I am having trouble finding Bible for that but will withhold judgement until you report back).

[EA]

Originally Posted by oletime

there have been other questionable tactics also like the time my son on law was at one of the gcs when the tv issue was voted down and then after a bunch of people got up and left because that was the issue they showed up to take a stand on then their was an attempt to bring it back to the floor for another vote after many opponets left dirty politics i believe its called

I was on the floor of that conference, and I have an entirely different opinion.

If people were stupid enough to get up and leave after the TV vote, they deserved whatever happened. Plus, a lot of those guys who left early had been bused in from all over the country. Many of them weren't even qualified to vote.

Besides being rude, leaving in the middle of a business meeting shows a complete lack of concern about important organizational issues.

[EA]

Originally Posted by oletime

for the life of me i cannot understand how anyone can twist a meaning out of bro urshans statement its simple folks he said nothing about not caring whether you believed the affirmation or not he said if you believe it sign it and dont worry about anyone else disputing or interpeting your signature period.i said it before ill say it again the worst day imho was when bro urshan passed if he were still gs this never would have been shoved through by what 900 some votes out of something like 30000 i been told worldwide? whatever the numbers it was a miniscule proportion he would have gaveled it out of existence forever because he knew it would cause exactly what happened that folks is leadership and wisdom you can say they would have left eventually anyway but that is pure self serving speculation. they contended to the disunity of the body ie: the split, plain and simple.i only wish i could ask bro mangun and some others if they had it to do over would they? from what little i have seen of bro manguns spirit i think he probably does regret it. i dont think he is a divisive person, or a liberal so called. you cant be against tv or internet in the home and then advertise or broadcast on it to do so is ridiculous . that is why it shouldnt have been passed unless they want to eliminate the as which is probably next but they did it backwards.ps if you preach agaisnt this and cut hair etc etc and most of your people are still doing it it must be because your allowing it on the platform with no consequences or you dont really care or your a hireling jmo

Friend, I think it would be best if you just closed your trap for a bit.

The UPC currently has around 8700 ministers worldwide, not 30,000.

And of those 8700, only around 2000 showed up in Tampa to vote. The margin of passage was around 2-3%. That is very common in many ballot initiatives, and most Presidential elections fall within a similar margin.

Please, don't rewrite history to fit your agenda.

[EA]

And btw, the resolution prohibiting tv that was passed back in the eighties cleared by around the same margin.

[Jaxon]

Sam: You said the AS passed because of a questionable procedure and a lie by a high ranking official......you've also stated you 've never been UPC licensed (so obviously you were not there).........When you say "a high ranking official lied" and you were not there I am curious as to how you know this.........If this was as egregious as you claim I would like to know who lied.......If you know about this who else does?

[oletime]

first of all dont tell me to shut my trap and then call me friend cause i aint yours you dont even know me and i sure dont know you i can have my opinions and 2 percent changing bed rock principals written by men far greater than you or me aint right but i suppose the upc is better off without the godairs bookers etc what a joke my points still stand being off on the numbers doesnt change the point oh and no one on the other side was bussed in and they all were qualified to vote? sure! but you wont have to worry about me anymore because you are officialy self banned ignored whatever congrats! goodbye

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

I am not on here much anymore, but, thought some of you would like to hear this piece of information:

There was an "invitation only" meeting in Detroit this past week to talk about the formation of a new organization. This is not an "emergent group" and not an "ultra con" group...but one with the same doctrinal views minus some of the "other" stuff.

Two prominent UPCI leaders were the speakers at this meeting.

Anyone else hear anything about this??

The UPCI has no problem with splits.

[Sandra]

socali.... where you be?? look what you stirred up... ; )

[EA]

Originally Posted by oletime

for the life of me i cannot understand how anyone can twist a meaning out of bro urshans statement its simple folks he said nothing about not caring whether you believed the affirmation or not he said if you believe it sign it and dont worry about anyone else disputing or interpeting your signature period.i said it before ill say it again the worst day imho was when bro urshan passed if he were still gs this never would have been shoved through by what 900 some votes out of something like 30000 i been told worldwide? whatever the numbers it was a miniscule proportion he would have gaveled it out of existence forever because he knew it would cause exactly what happened that folks is leadership and wisdom you can say they would have left eventually anyway but that is pure self serving speculation. they contended to the disunity of the body ie: the split, plain and simple.i only wish i could ask bro mangun and some others if they had it to do over would they? from what little i have seen of bro manguns spirit i think he probably does regret it. i dont think he is a divisive person, or a liberal so called. you cant be against tv or internet in the home and then advertise or broadcast on it to do so is ridiculous . that is why it shouldnt have been passed unless they want to eliminate the as which is probably next but they did it backwards.ps if you preach agaisnt this and cut hair etc etc and most of your people are still doing it it must be because your allowing it on the platform with no consequences or you dont really care or your a hireling jmo

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Friend, I think it would be best if you just closed your trap for a bit.

The UPC currently has around 8700 ministers worldwide, not 30,000.

And of those 8700, only around 2000 showed up in Tampa to vote. The margin of passage was around 2-3%. That is very common in many ballot initiatives, and most Presidential elections fall within a similar margin.

Please, don't rewrite history to fit your agenda.

Originally Posted by oletime

first of all dont tell me to shut my trap and then call me friend cause i aint yours you dont even know me and i sure dont know you i can have my opinions and 2 percent changing bed rock principals written by men far greater than you or me aint right but i suppose the upc is better off without the godairs bookers etc what a joke my points still stand being off on the numbers doesnt change the point oh and no one on the other side was bussed in and they all were qualified to vote? sure! but you wont have to worry about me anymore because you are officialy self banned ignored whatever congrats! goodbye

Let the record show that I said "closed" and not "shut." Sorry bout that.

Also, the idea that the tv ads ban was somehow a "bed rock principle" made me laugh out loud.

As for ignoring me? Oh well, don't feel too special. There seems to be a long line of fine folk who have chosen to follow the same path.