Okay, I've got ADD and I can't bring myself to read the entire thread. Rhoni, do you still believe in Oneness and the Acts 2:38 experience?
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It doesn't matter. She's a Christian and a seeker.
Why not just let her answer the question herself if she'd like?
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Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow....
Oh.. and 99% of statistics aren't really true.
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That's because 43% of all statistics are made up on the spot and the remaining 56% are well outside the margin of error. hehehe
I agree.
I've also noticed that most quotes on the internet that people attribute to Albert Einstein... werent really said by Albert Einstein.
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Why not just let her answer the question herself if she'd like?
I'm sure she will if she wants to. I guess I think people get tired of constantly defending themselves. This is a question that usually brings immediate defense because it helps people categorize others.
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But I also agree, we shouldn't be so caught up in "labels"
Then she's not lost. God is just leading her down a different path.
God had to reveal to me that the Kingdom of God isn't a particular church or denomination. I used to believe that only the UPCI were going to Heaven. Of course, I was UPCI. But the Kingdom of God is so much bigger. All churches and denominations are institutions that exist in the Kingdom of God. Many traditional denominations are even part of this Kingdom though they may not have a full understanding of Biblical truth. We can only pray for them, befriend them, and bring the fires of revival their way.
I think many are leaving the UPCI and traditional Apostolic denominations because they are becoming old wineskins. They have hardened and becoming inflexible, locked in the mold of the 40's and 50's. As God brings new people into the church with new gifts and anointing, it's going to put pressure on the wineskin... and it will burst. I think we're seeing cracks in the wineskin and people leaking through. Let's just pray that God send us a revival that boarders on a Reformation so that we can once more be the church God has called us to be.
In the posts to this thread I see the full spectrum of attitudes expressed. From the friends who supremely care for others all the way down to those who care more about defending a doctrine than lending a friendly hand.
Where do you fall in that spectrum?
I am on the side of either way. Like standards it is up to you and your convictions.
I just get sick of the old attitudes that I remember having and expressing to others.
May she find happiness and fulfillment on whatever path the Lord leads her.
As for the rest of you:
You're all crazy except James Griffin and I.
And, sometimes I have some doubts about him.
And, just to keep the ball rolling:
The UPC and "standards" aren't the issue at all;
Most people are just the same outside the UPC and without standards as they were before they left.
eg. If you looked down on everybody who didn't have your standards then, you probably look down on people who don't share your liberty now. If you didn't realize that you were a conservative religious snob then, you probably have no idea that you're a liberal religious snob now.
Thank God for His amazing grace.
If it weren't for His grace, Heaven would be as empty as the salad bar at a preacher's buffet, and Hell would be as filled as the ranks of "*hurting" people on Internet forums.
*Some people are genuinely hurting, but, for many, hurt is just a religious sounding way to shift blame and bitterness onto somebody else. eg. In a Church war, nobody admits to being angry; everybody's acting out of the hurt that the other side has caused them.
I may not be a great fan of the UPC, but calling the UPC a cult is just plain dumb.
Even though Maple included me among the crazies, he still makes a lot of sense.
I have been called things so much worse than crazy that it almost felt like a compliment.
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No matter where we go, people are sad and pitiful. And we are all people. If someone attacks my child with words or anything else, I will smack them upside the head. Do we not believe our Father will not do the same? It may not be immediate, but it will happen. He has a no tolerance zone for His children being hurt.
Not always. The man who molested my wife and her siblings when they were little was never punished in this life. The next life? Dunno, but he was a Christian, so presumably, his sins are "under the blood" and he's in Heaven now, saved by grace.
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Even though Maple included me among the crazies, he still makes a lot of sense.
I have been called things so much worse than crazy that it almost felt like a compliment.
Why thank you, but, in truth, if you really are crazy, you're compliment is more of a cause for concern than for cheer.
Not speaking of anybody in particular (honestly), I think that some people are so in love with their issues that they've adopted them as part of their self image. It is a tragedy to be defined by what you claim to disdain.
Not always. The man who molested my wife and her siblings when they were little was never punished in this life. The next life? Dunno, but he was a Christian, so presumably, his sins are "under the blood" and he's in Heaven now, saved by grace.
Timmy a sinner will not enter heaven!!!!!!!!! If he was not punished here, it doesn't mean he escaped punishment from God. If he did not repent of his sins, and forgiven, he was not saved.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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