Goodness, did you used to be a preacher or something?
This is the tenor of the entire thread, good job P-
I think people, especially the church are making a huge mistake discounting the huge difference between the greatest generation, the baby boomers, the x-gen and now the y-generation.
I think it is so interesting how we are taking a look at business models and organizational trends keeping in mind these differences.
The UPC as you/we 40 somethings know it now will cease to exist when our kids and grandkids are our age IF we insist on maintaining this Old Tyme Religion, that was good enough for grampa and its good enough for me...
I just thought of this..... The baby Boomer generation produced the x-gen, and the x-gen produced the y-gen.
now the y-gen is producing the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-gen!
Carpenter, it's just not as easy as you make it seem.
Sure, there are times when I would love to walk away from it all. But then I think of all of the love, sweat, time and tears I have poured into it and I realize how much of a hole would be left in my life if I walked away.
It's not as easy as just demanding change like a petulant child. As frustrated as I often get, I still think this organization is the best thing going - bar none. Additionally, I have a great relationship with my District. My Presbyter and District Superintendent are two of the greatest men of God I know.
Do I hope things change? Absolutely!
Am I working toward that change? Of course.
But I do my best to remain cooperative and kind, to respect our common heritage, to realize that time and patience change many things that war cannot.
The spirit of Rehoboam has no place in my life.
Good post, and I believe many many many men in the organization feel exactly the same way you do. Unfortuantely to the old school, change is equivalent to compromise and to compromise is sin because you are making a change from what your grandparents in the Gospel sacrificed their everything for.
Good post, and I believe many many many men in the organization feel exactly the same way you do. Unfortuantely to the old school, change is equivalent to compromise and to compromise is sin because you are making a change from what your grandparents in the Gospel sacrificed their everything for.
Who can argue with that?
Ooh, Ooh, Ooh (hand raised excitedly), I can, I can, pick me, pick me!!!!!
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I was discussing this topic with a friend of mine last week.
I heard a comment about a prominent church in Texas that the younger pastor is just waiting for the passing of the elder pastor to take the church in a much more liberal direction.
I was at a family reunion of a family who my husband grew up with last week. This family has several UPC preachers in it. Looking around at the children of these preachers- I could definitely say that they are not holding to the standards of their fathers.
I came away with the feeling that in 10 to 20 years we will not recognize the UPC for what it once was. Good- Bad- I don't know- But it made me sad.
I was discussing this topic with a friend of mine last week.
I heard a comment about a prominent church in Texas that the younger pastor is just waiting for the passing of the elder pastor to take the church in a much more liberal direction.
I was at a family reunion of a family who my husband grew up with last week. This family has several UPC preachers in it. Looking around at the children of these preachers- I could definitely say that they are not holding to the standards of their fathers.
I came away with the feeling that in 10 to 20 years we will not recognize the UPC for what it once was. Good- Bad- I don't know- But it made me sad.
I was discussing this topic with a friend of mine last week.
I heard a comment about a prominent church in Texas that the younger pastor is just waiting for the passing of the elder pastor to take the church in a much more liberal direction.
I was at a family reunion of a family who my husband grew up with last week. This family has several UPC preachers in it. Looking around at the children of these preachers- I could definitely say that they are not holding to the standards of their fathers.
I came away with the feeling that in 10 to 20 years we will not recognize the UPC for what it once was. Good- Bad- I don't know- But it made me sad.
That is the way I felt when I went back to England and virtually all of the red telephone boxes were gone and now in addition to the traditional black London taxi there are green, purple, and all sorts of other colored ones!
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
That is the way I felt when I went back to England and virtually all of the red telephone boxes were gone and now in addition to the traditional black London taxi there are green, purple, and all sorts of other colored ones!
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