A letter from Bro. Haney - Page 23

jrLA · #**221** 01-05-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Hey Monkey-

I was there when he said it at family camp in front of a couple/few hundred people. If you want, we can find the tape for you.

Contact the Oregon District. I forget what year, maybe 2003 or 2004.
I can find out if you want it.

So you are telling me, he called the LA District out in front of the entire camp and said we were loosing our holiness standards. That is not very good leadership, if that is what he did!

I wouldn't be quoting all that!

jrLA · #**222** 01-05-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Who's radar counts, God's or the World's?

I am not saying the the church must be small, but just because we are not the size of the crystal cathedrial don't mean they are more successful, holy, saved or Godly than we are. It boils down to who is preaching truth and who isn't.

Good post!

Praxeas · #**223** 01-05-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

My dear friend,

It appears that you have everyone classified, categorized, packaged, labeled and shelved.

How were you able to accomplish so much in just one short lifetime?

In this instance TV (the poster) would be DEAD ON TARGET (Oh there is another person that has a target on his back)

Neck · #**224** 01-05-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

Your blanket statements are tiring and it would do you well to get our more. The limited, and yes I mean limited, number of churches you have been in are not a fair indicator of what the organization as a whole does.

Playing the card "I seen it with my own eyes" is also circumspect when you consider the limited number of churches you have been in. Am I saying such things do not happen? Nope. Indeed they do. But inane statements and unsupportable, frivolous stats like you post make it hard to take your posts too seriously.

Further, your response said nothing of "people making liars of themselves."

Sorry friend. I have many family members still preaching and traveling in the UPCI on a regular basis.

While growing up I attended many large churches as our family were members.

My dad taught at all the Bible colleges as a full-time teacher or guest teacher.

He preached at many of the camp meetings across the country.

My experience within the organization is far reaching even to this day coast to coast to coast, boarder to boarder....

It is a mute point...

I see the UPCI starting to ease up on many of these standards..

When these same men in the UPCI are able to keep their liscense and not have to preach standards...

Lets see how many folks in those churches keep to their Godly convictions.

Because remember they are not done to please any minister they are done as unto the Lord....

OK....

jrLA · #**225** 01-05-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I haven't received on either. I could use it to start a fire in the fire place.

How rude!

Neck · #**226** 01-05-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Praxeas
Whose conservative standard of Holiness? The Amish?

Ummm... I was thinking, GOD's? You know, what he's revealed in his Word explicitly and by principle.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Why is God so different from church to church, district to district?

It must be cultural just like the letters from Paul.

You see him write about hair to Corinth.

Does he write about it to any of the other churches?

jrLA · #**227** 01-05-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

It's no so much the idea of even us being offended at what people wear etc. It is how we offend others by giving them the sense that some are more holy than they are....

To offend them could be putting a rock around your spiritual head...

I agree--God help us to preach the truth in love and NOT to look down on others as to make them think we are better or holier!

You are so right here!

rrford · #**228** 01-05-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Sorry friend. I have many family members still preaching and traveling in the UPCI on a regular basis.

While growing up I attended many large churches as our family were members.

My dad taught at all the Bible colleges as a full-time teacher or guest teacher.

He preached at many of the camp meetings across the country.

My experience within the organization is far reaching even to this day coast to coast to coast, boarder to boarder....

It is a mute point...

I see the UPCI starting to ease up on many of these standards..

When these same men in the UPCI are able to keep their liscense and not have to preach standards...

Lets see how many folks in those churches keep to their Godly convictions.

Because remember they are not done to please any minister they are done as unto the Lord....

OK....

This sounds like "what you have seen" is heresay given to you by family and friends. Kind of "he said, she said." IMHO, most folks eventually see what they go looking for.

I have been around a while myself and have actually preached in a good number of churches. I have attended countless meetings and conferences. Funny thing, while I see some of what you say, it has not been as wholesale as what you say.

But if you accept that then you would have to get off of your bitter rants against the UPCI and we can't have that now, can we?

tv1a · #**229** 01-05-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I am interested in principles. And I know a lot of good can be done on the internet, (ie. fellowship, educational value, ect, ect...). But I also know your good shouldn't be evil spoken of. So the good I'm doing now should be out in the open right? I'm on the computer at midnight, and I'm doing good, but can evil be spoken of me? Sure. That's why there's Covenant Eyes, an accountability system that tracks every website I go on and is sent to two parties, brethren, that I trust will correct me if I'm on something I ought not be.

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tvlb: So the Holy Ghost isn't strong enough from keeping you from questionable sites. lol... Larry Booker says a cop in church arrested over 40 people in one day for attempting to solicit sex with minors. Anyone with half of brain can figure out ways to get around the so-called safe guards. Your safeguards are as ridiculous as one putting duct tape on their mouth when they walk into a bar so they won't drink alcohol.

Is there such a thing on television?

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tvlb: I have strict controls on the family television. I don't allow my kids to have televisions in their rooms. I have enough Holy Ghost where I don't need a third party monitoring my viewing habits.

Have you ever found fellowship via television? What have you learnt from television, besides cheesy gingles and the Hollywood trash?
[QUOTE] tvlb: Haven't learned much from the Discovery Channel, History Channel, various religious programming, A&E, Court TV, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, C-SPAN, C-SPAN 2, NASA, The Weather Channel, RFDTV, PBS, Food Channel, The Learning Channel, The Animal Channel, Discovery Health, Home and Garden TV. [/QUOTE]

Now I say this in love, brother. I can understand those that get rid of internet all together, but there are enough redeemable things via the internet, and enough tools to keep internet usage within accountability that the internet can be safely and beneficially used.

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tvlb: There are also a few redeeming qualities in a belly dancer, but we don't date them.

You have to spend all that extra money for those security measures because you don't trust the Holy Ghost God gave you. You spend all that money for something you can feel good about in compromise.

For someone who has been in Pentecost for a few short years, you sure bring some archaiac arguments to the table. Swiss cheese has a better chance of floating than the flimsy excuses you provide that internet is acceptable and television is not.

Television can not, and has no place in a Christian home.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

rrford · #**230** 01-05-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Originally Posted by Praxeas
Whose conservative standard of Holiness? The Amish?

Ummm... I was thinking, GOD's? You know, what he's revealed in his Word explicitly and by principle.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Why is God so different from church to church, district to district?

It must be cultural just like the letters from Paul.

You see him write about hair to Corinth.

Does he write about it to any of the other churches?

NE, uhmmm, this post lets me know why I have such a hard time reasoning with you. When you study hermeneutics come back and try to post with some kind of contextual understanding and credibility. It will help immensely.

From the way you responded here you seem to imply that the Epistles are only for the particular church and not the church at large. Hey, maybe you could team up with Thomas Jefferson. He took out the Gospels and you take out the Epistles. Care to discuss eschatology?