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The attacks are blatant in post 1 and throughout .....
Daniel, if there are any attacks, yours are equal, if not greater in force. You have a habit of attacking the person and rarely the topic, which undermines your own credibility and intelligence.
You seem so concerned with liberal theologies, that you can't even recognize a legitimate argument, lest you be tainted with conservatism by association. One of the first things you should do if you are to ever win any argument is to establish common ground. Otherwise, you're simply in a shouting match that has no winner.
I am not a typical conservative. Nor am I liberal. I refuse to stick with anything, other than scripture and my personal convictions. Yet even my posts you can't address seriously or soberly. I get the impression sometimes that you've lumped all conservative Apostolics into one big ball of wax, and you treat anyone perceived to be from that lump with the same disdain and disrespect, regardless of their personal views on any given matter.
That not only makes normal conversation difficult, but it makes honest debate impossible. I expect that sort of thing from Coop, but I think you can do better. Its a matter of wanting to.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
BINGO!!!!!! I was trying to lead these folks there one post at a time, but you beat me to the punch. LOL!
Well...you explain away the contradiction by saying that the wine wasn't alcoholic, right? (Or possibly not....) I can't definitively agree with that, so a contradiction is apparent, even to me.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
BINGO!!!!!! I was trying to lead these folks there one post at a time, but you beat me to the punch. LOL!
Like many Biblical contradictions, there is more than one way to get around it. I guess your favorite is to claim that the wine Jesus made was non-alcoholic?
Here's another one: the Bible forbids habitual drunkenness, but not the occasional indulgence for celebrations such as weddings. There is a night-and-day difference between the angry, mean drunk who abuses his family and the loud, silly partier who's just having a good time with other wedding guests. (And not driving!)
Hey, it's just a theory!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Ok I received an email via my myspace account (which now is set to private in case anyone else decides they want to send hate mail too) about an hour after this thread started calling me a 2 bit whore and every other UNCHRIST like name in the book! If this is any of my "AFF friends or shall I say I guess enemies" you are sickening! If its not *I am assured it is at least someone who lurks because of the content* good...
Enjoy your thread PP... looks like you got what you wanted and I hope you are happy! Yea it hurt... whoever it was you did a good job!
Daniel, if there are any attacks, yours are equal, if not greater in force. You have a habit of attacking the person and rarely the topic, which undermines your own credibility and intelligence.
You seem so concerned with liberal theologies, that you can't even recognize a legitimate argument, lest you be tainted with conservatism by association. One of the first things you should do if you are to ever win any argument is to establish common ground. Otherwise, you're simply in a shouting match that has no winner.
I am not a typical conservative. Nor am I liberal. I refuse to stick with anything, other than scripture and my personal convictions. Yet even my posts you can't address seriously or soberly. I get the impression sometimes that you've lumped all conservative Apostolics into one big ball of wax, and you treat anyone perceived to be from that lump with the same disdain and disrespect, regardless of their personal views on any given matter.
That not only makes normal conversation difficult, but it makes honest debate impossible. I expect that sort of thing from Coop, but I think you can do better. Its a matter of wanting to.
We've established common ground very early on .... everyone agreed drunkeness is a a sin .... and stated so very early in this thread ... yet it was not enough.
Photographers and those in the recording industry have a phrase .... GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT .... this thread was founded on quicksand from the very beginning when it sought to disparage .... and take a moral high ground.
as for not addressing your exegetical post .... it's based on opinion and not sound scripture.
Like many Biblical contradictions, there is more than one way to get around it. I guess your favorite is to claim that the wine Jesus made was non-alcoholic?
Here's another one: the Bible forbids habitual drunkenness, but not the occasional indulgence for celebrations such as weddings. There is a night-and-day difference between the angry, mean drunk who abuses his family and the loud, silly partier who's just having a good time with other wedding guests. (And not driving!)
Hey, it's just a theory!
Not all party-ers are just "loud" and "silly."
So should drinking only be forbidden from those who suffer ill effects on their character and morals?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Ok I received an email via my myspace account (which now is set to private in case anyone else decides they want to send hate mail too) about an hour after this thread started calling me a 2 bit whore and every other UNCHRIST like name in the book! If this is any of my "AFF friends or shall I say I guess enemies" you are sickening! If its not *I am assured it is at least someone who lurks because of the content* good...
Enjoy your thread PP... looks like you got what you wanted and I hope you are happy! Yea it hurt... whoever it was you did a good job!
We've established common ground very early on .... everyone agreed drunkeness is a a sin .... and stated so very early in this thread ...
Photographers and those in the recording have a phrase .... GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT .... this thread was founded on quicksand from the very beginning when it sought to disparage .... and take a moral high ground.
as for not addressing your post .... it's based on opinion and not sound scripture.
Which one?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
True. Meant to address that in my post, and forgot.
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So should drinking only be forbidden from those who suffer ill effects on their character and morals?
Sure, why not?
Like I said, it was a theory, and I'm not sure I even buy into it entirely. But I think it has some merit. Possibly more merit than the water-into-Welch's theory!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
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