Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My data is just fine. Still standing. Want some more sources? There are jillions of them and they all say the same thing and give the same ages - 7 in delaware and 10 in 25 other states. Because in Delaware, you had to swear in as a Christian to be a lawmaker and that is also from a reputable source.

So what society today defines to be perversion was, right or wrong in your eyes, acceptable in the past.

This acceptance in the past does not seem to be religious in nature.

For you, as a Christian, to call what a Muslim did 1450 years ago a perversion vs. Christianity and Christian beliefs then you need to conclusively demonstrate that this was a perversion in the eyes of God from the beginning of Christianity. Crack that book of yours open and go.

I know this: I am in no position to declare what is or is not perversion other than what the words in the books declare to be perversion. One of the things that is declared to be perversion in both your book and mine is standing on behalf of God and declaring judgement on a person or action with no written basis behind it. Doing so puts oneself in God's position and this is both a dangerous and perverted act.

Sooooooo, you're into perversion??????

[BrotherEastman]

The problem with Walks -in - Islam is that his prophet was perverse, and Christ was not. He tries to bring in the "well your guys did it" argument but it doesn't hold in the face of Jesus. Muhammad was a pervert and Christ was not, that settles that!!!!!!!!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My data is just fine. Still standing. Want some more sources? There are jillions of them and they all say the same thing and give the same ages - 7 in delaware and 10 in 25 other states. Because in Delaware, you had to swear in as a Christian to be a lawmaker and that is also from a reputable source.

So what society today defines to be perversion was, right or wrong in your eyes, acceptable in the past.

This acceptance in the past does not seem to be religious in nature.

For you, as a Christian, to call what a Muslim did 1450 years ago a perversion vs. Christianity and Christian beliefs then you need to conclusively demonstrate that this was a perversion in the eyes of God from the beginning of Christianity. Crack that book of yours open and go.

I know this: I am in no position to declare what is or is not perversion other than what the words in the books declare to be perversion. One of the things that is declared to be perversion in both your book and mine is standing on behalf of God and declaring judgement on a person or action with no written basis behind it. Doing so puts oneself in God's position and this is both a dangerous and perverted act.

Okay YOUR answer is that an old man marrying a 6 year old girl is NOT perversion.

What a despicable religion you have.

Oh and BTW I think ANYONE marerying a 6 year old is SICK!!! I could care less if he calls himself a Christian or a Muslim Prophet.

As a "holy man" (which he surely was NOT) he should be set to a higher standard. Also, since he is the one Mulsims look up to and seek to emulate this perversion is part of the Islamic tradition.

Jesus on the other hand was HOLY and sets a far higher standard and is therefore a much better person to emulate. This alone makes Christianity far superior to the perversion of Islam.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

The problem with Walks -in - Islam is that his prophet was perverse, and Christ was not. He tries to bring in the "well your guys did it" argument but it doesn't hold in the face of Jesus. Muhammad was a pervert and Christ was not, that settles that!!!!!!!!

Well said.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

WE are American and WE all pay the same taxes. WE would not accept a religious-based tax. None of us.

On the issue of invading and killing:

See previous post. I don't believe that encouraging or supporting killing and forcing religion is acceptable, much less invading and killing.

I didn't ask about being American. I asked specifically whether you condemn or not imposing a tax on Christians

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

So what society today defines to be perversion was, right or wrong in your eyes, acceptable in the past.

Wow. You admit to what our society calls perversion in a man marrying a six year old girl. Sick sick sick. And you say it is not necessarily perversion in other cultures. No, and murdering people if they do not conform is also not considered perversion of morality in other culturs as well..

This acceptance in the past does not seem to be religious in nature.

For you, as a Christian, to call what a Muslim did 1450 years ago a perversion vs. Christianity and Christian beliefs then you need to conclusively demonstrate that this was a perversion in the eyes of God from the beginning of Christianity. Crack that book of yours open and go.

Again you admit to this tripe! Wow.

I know this: I am in no position to declare what is or is not perversion other than what the words in the books declare to be perversion. One of the things that is declared to be perversion in both your book and mine is standing on behalf of God and declaring judgement on a person or action with no written basis behind it. Doing so puts oneself in God's position and this is both a dangerous and perverted act.

Don't digress. Your religion is perverted. Just admit it. It's perverted to morality in our culture. Say it.

[Praxeas]

I think...getting away from accusing someone of perversion, the problem with Islam is

Many Islamics believe and practice murder, lies,kidnapping, rape and pedophilia as a part of their religious beliefs

Many Islamics claim to not but often won't condemn those that do then or are sympathetic towards these groups like Hamas

Many Islamics just do not agree at all with all these acts and groups BUT...the problem is, while condemning them they are actually condemning the founder of their religion

Muhammad was a man of war. Jesus was of Peace.

Muhammad and his followers warred against the Meccans. They raided towns, killing the man and taking women and girls as slaves, later to be married off

"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)


Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

WII and other Moderate Muslims have condemned these sorts of actions by their own prophet and his direct followers

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't ask about being American. I asked specifically whether you condemn or not imposing a tax on Christians

I do not believe imposing a tax that is not equally applied to everyone is acceptable.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Wow. You admit to what our society calls perversion in a man marrying a six year old girl. Sick sick sick. And you say it is not necessarily perversion in other cultures. No, and murdering people if they do not conform is also not considered perversion of morality in other culturs as well..

Again you admit to this tripe! Wow.



Don't digress. Your religion is perverted. Just admit it. It's perverted to morality in our culture. Say it.

I did not digress.

Since you declare this to be perverted I asked you, based on YOUR infallible bible, what is the right, and true, criteria for marriage and age of marriage.

Christianity is older than Islam and the roots of the bible go back more than 3,000 years. This highly critical aspect of his life for which you judge Mohammed MUST be mentioned somewhere.

So please go get it and teach me and everyone else here not only what is perversion but ALSO spell out, since according to you a big wrong was done, what is right and what specifically should have been done according to all of the records of God's law that you seem to be highly familiar with.

Please find it, and show it, and teach it, and I will accord you the respect of listening to what you find and have to say. God ALWAYS defines what is and is not perversion in his books so this terrible thing needs to be exposed once and for all.

ONCE AGAIN: Crack that book and go. Nobody gives two hoots about your opinion, this is a religious forum, you are apostolic, and you should be able to easily demonstrate such a highly important sin from your book and also demonstrate exactly what criteria should be followed, also from your book. Go.

Idly thinking that maybe you can find it in ancient Jewish law. Check the Talmud? Here's the link.

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/b/l/l3702.htm

I know what it says. Translate it yourself.

[Walks_in_islam]

[QUOTE=Praxeas;1344940]I think...getting away from accusing someone of perversion, the problem with Islam is

Jesus was of Peace.




When? PLEASE show us all, in 2000 years, how Jesus was the "prince of peace" and Christian followers of Jesus ever asked for, strove for, or wished for peace.

5 years? 10 years? 100 years? Any period of time? Your prophecy preachers are rattling again about end times. It would have been nice to demonstrate this peaceful nature sometime in the last 2000 years before talking about it now wouldn't it?